PROUD to be an American

brantley847 · 10-01-2008, 12:43 PM

I apologize if I piss off any moderators for being off topic or other servicemen/women, but this story just made me damn proud and I thought I'd share it ....

I am consistently hearing about some service men and women who are bitter to their superiors and the "brass" in the service. Many who think they speak for all of us..I agree, Iraq sucks, sucked and will continue to suck because we arent in our own beds. 9 out of 10 of us, however, will agree it is getting much better, safier and advantageous.....I don't know about you (servicemen or not), but this makes me proud to serve you, this country, and damn proud to live in the greatest country in the world...

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Largest Re-enlistment Ceremony in U.S. History.

I'm sure you already know about this. It was shown over and over on TV, right?
OK, so maybe it wasn't shown over and over, but surely it was shown on TV at least one time, wasn't it ?

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This was the largest re-enlistment ceremony ever held in military history. The ceremony was held on the 4th of July, 2008 at Al Faw Palace, Baghdad , Iraq . General David Petraeus officiated. This amazing story was ignored by the 'mainstream' media.
For those who have been in the Al Faw Palace, you'll have a better appreciation of the number of people crammed around the rotunda supporting the re-enlisting soldiers.

American men and women volunteering to stay longer in Iraq, so that when we leave, the new democracy will have a chance of surviving, is the exact opposite of what the media wants you to think about Iraq. If only a bomb had killed 5 civilians in a marketplace - now that's the kind of news the media is eager to tell you about.

A pizzeria in Chicago donated 2000 pizzas that were made and shipped to Baghdad , and were delivered on the 4th.

The media did report that 2000 pizzas were sent to Iraq on July 4th... The only part they left out of the report was the event for which the pizzas were sent.

I can't help but wonder...

What would the opinion of Americans be if they weren't getting such obviously biased 'news?'

*KILLER74Z28* · 10-01-2008, 12:47 PM

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*GTAHVIT* · 10-01-2008, 12:57 PM

Thank you, In every way imaginable.

My sincerest appreciation.

lalometalik · 10-01-2008, 12:58 PM

IMO we don't belong there and pushing our views of democracy unto other countries is not written anywhere in the constitution.
I'm as American as they come, but ofcourse soldiers will want to re-enlist and continue fightin in Iraq, they don't want to believe they fought for nothing! They're jobs are to complete 'the mission', whatever mission that may be, and all praise goes to them for wanting to complete their mission now.

I wish them well and hope our future deems better for all of us here, in America, at least.
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brantley847 · 10-01-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by lalometalik

IMO we don't belong there and pushing our views of democracy unto other countries is not written anywhere in the constitution.
I'm as American as they come, but ofcourse soldiers will want to re-enlist and continue fightin in Iraq, they don't want to believe they fought for nothing! They're jobs are to complete 'the mission', whatever mission that may be, and all praise goes to them for wanting to complete their mission now.

I wish them well and hope our future deems better for all of us here, in America, at least.
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Understood, and you opinion is not "wrong" by any stretch of the word.....

Maybe you have served, obviously I don't know, but I think...just a hunch, if you walked on their soil, saw what their citizens see, your opinion MIGHT be different. I can tell you ...its much more than oil, much more than WMDs ...(I know someone of you want to slap me in the face after that statement)...and yes sir... MAYBE it was ...hell maybe it still is to the pencil pushers, but if you saw the children, the families.....anyone with a heart would agree with where I am coming from

I am blessed enough to be past that point in my life, be alive and moved my career now to law enforcement....but I will say those who I have kept contact with want to come home to their families, but FEEL with what they have seen first hand that with the help and grace of God they need to be there

You sir are EXACTLY right, we have no right to impose our government's will on other countries. I DO however believe that with the power this country has, we have the chance to assist and help countries who are suffering....and they...are...suffering. The children, the men and women are thankful. Do they still want us there?...hell no, who would? But many will express that though they would like us to leave because they want a non-hostile living environment...they also express that they NEED us for the time being. If you believe we should be completely out of foreign affairs and not assist anyone...then you have a valid argument as well, there are pro's and con's to both....but what is "right"

.....just a thought, not bashing your opinions by any means

headpunter · 10-01-2008, 02:15 PM

thanks for your service. i talked to a woman when i took my state certification for my Nurses aid, and she was 23 and had 3 tours in iraq as a medic and when we started talking about it she started to cry because she was afraid that they would pull out and all of her friends that died or were injured would be all for nothing because it would all crumble.

i dont know if that is true but i admire the commitment and the sacrifice you all endure while over there. i cant thank you enough.

lalometalik · 10-01-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brantley847

.....just a thought, not bashing your opinions by any means

no offense meant, and none taken

I have not served, although i have thought about joining the Air Force now that i've had Lasik vision correction...
anywho, i bet the moderators would LOOOVE the way we argue our level-headed, courteous, constructive, differing views on this political subject

can we get some love here people?

*The_Blur* · 10-01-2008, 02:51 PM

Democratic government is a system that pushes the people's views on the people. The only people opposed to getting their way are either power-hungry or insanely stupid.

There is no reason that democracy can't work in other countries. You can write bad constitutions or laws. You can produce bad governments. You cannot produce an undemocratic people. Everyone wants to have a say in public policy, whether through groups or their own participation.

No one in the world has made a good argument why a democracy can't work. They've argued that it can't work the way that some individuals—dictators, monarchs, tzars, emperors—want them to work. No political scientist, theorist, or government official in the history of the world has produced an argument that stood up to criticism saying that democracy doesn't work.

*GTAHVIT* · 10-01-2008, 03:07 PM

Allright, allright.

I

you guys!!!

Thanks for being cool!

Kyle2k · 10-01-2008, 03:16 PM

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lalometalik · 10-01-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gtahvit

Allright, allright.

I

you guys!!!

Thanks for being cool!

bahaha
any time!

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brantley847 v It bites. Drives: 2011 IBM 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2008 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,580	PROUD to be an American I apologize if I piss off any moderators for being off topic or other servicemen/women, but this story just made me damn proud and I thought I'd share it .... I am consistently hearing about some service men and women who are bitter to their superiors and the "brass" in the service. Many who think they speak for all of us..I agree, Iraq sucks, sucked and will continue to suck because we arent in our own beds. 9 out of 10 of us, however, will agree it is getting much better, safier and advantageous.....I don't know about you (servicemen or not), but this makes me proud to serve you, this country, and damn proud to live in the greatest country in the world... ------------------------------------------------- Largest Re-enlistment Ceremony in U.S. History. I'm sure you already know about this. It was shown over and over on TV, right? OK, so maybe it wasn't shown over and over, but surely it was shown on TV at least one time, wasn't it ? <br> <br> <br> ---------------------------------- This was the largest re-enlistment ceremony ever held in military history. The ceremony was held on the 4th of July, 2008 at Al Faw Palace, Baghdad , Iraq . General David Petraeus officiated. This amazing story was ignored by the 'mainstream' media. For those who have been in the Al Faw Palace, you'll have a better appreciation of the number of people crammed around the rotunda supporting the re-enlisting soldiers. American men and women volunteering to stay longer in Iraq, so that when we leave, the new democracy will have a chance of surviving, is the exact opposite of what the media wants you to think about Iraq. If only a bomb had killed 5 civilians in a marketplace - now that's the kind of news the media is eager to tell you about. A pizzeria in Chicago donated 2000 pizzas that were made and shipped to Baghdad , and were delivered on the 4th. The media did report that 2000 pizzas were sent to Iraq on July 4th... The only part they left out of the report was the event for which the pizzas were sent. I can't help but wonder... What would the opinion of Americans be if they weren't getting such obviously biased 'news?'

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