Challenger falling behind in road courses?

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

We just had this discussion on Chrysler keeping the Challenger low volume and how stupid Chrysler is. Their sales numbers are in the toilet, yet the one car they have that is in demand enough to command dealer markups is the car they limit production on.

Of course options will narrow the price gap. But a base model 1SS is $10k cheaper than a base model SRT. And it outperforms the SRT on the track and at the strip. And it gets better gas mileage too.

it isnt fanboish...i did this over a year ago when the same people were blabbing stupid things saying this and that...im not gonna give you a link that you can easily find on your own. even if i provide it, you will come up with another dumb excuse as to why im wrong. you just said that the challenger is overpriced against the camaro and stang so why would it be a good idea to bump up production? makes 0 sense...the charger and 300 are the main sellers in that company. and like i said before yes the camaro outperforms it but you and others make it seem like a huge gap when in REALITY it is a very small gap in performance. and as for mpg, if your in the business of buying a big v8 muscle /sports car.....you shouldnt really care about mpg.

[MrIcky]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Of course options will narrow the price gap. But a base model 1SS is $10k cheaper than a base model SRT.

A base SRT is a toss up with the 2ss/rs configuration wise. So 10k is a little off when you compare options. (leather, forged polished wheels, 30gig harddrive stereo/dvd, spoilers, etc). Closer to 5k difference when you lay out options.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

A base SRT is a toss up with the 2ss/rs configuration wise. So 10k is a little off when you compare options. (leather, forged polished wheels, 30gig harddrive stereo/dvd, spoilers, etc). Closer to 5k difference when you lay out options.

hey look a guy who does his hw....

[Stew]

Ah, old arguments, anywho. I have to wonder what the new super track pack will do on the R/T. this gives it 3 season tires, bigger sway bars than even the SRT, completely defeatable stability control which the R/T has not had before, the self leveling shocks from the manual available on the auto and "performance brakes (not brembos so I don't know what that entails). Also, the SRT that got the slower lap time, was it an auto or manual? i believe it was an 08 right which was a manual? I think the manual would help on the roadcourse and I also wonder if the 09 limited slip differential (in place of the BLD) would make a difference?

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Stew

Ah, old arguments, anywho. I have to wonder what the new super track pack will do on the R/T. this gives it 3 season tires, bigger sway bars than even the SRT, completely defeatable stability control which the R/T has not had before, the self leveling shocks from the manual available on the auto and "performance brakes (not brembos so I don't know what that entails). Also, the SRT that got the slower lap time, was it an auto or manual? i believe it was an 08 right which was a manual? I think the manual would help on the roadcourse and I also wonder if the 09 limited slip differential (in place of the BLD) would make a difference?

yea the trackpack is interesting...the main thing for sure that will help is the complete TC shutdown option

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by Stew

Also, the SRT that got the slower lap time, was it an auto or manual? i believe it was an 08 right which was a manual?

If it was an 08, it was an auto. The 6-speeds were not offered until 09.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

even if i provide it, you will come up with another dumb excuse as to why im wrong. you just said that the challenger is overpriced against the camaro and stang so why would it be a good idea to bump up production? makes 0 sense...the charger and 300 are the main sellers in that company.

I don't have to come up with any excuse, because no one has shown a bone stock Challenger breaking into the 12s.

And I never said it was overpriced. I just think when a company has a product that has more demand then supply, common sense says to increase supply and make more money. Keep in mind that Chrysler doesn't get a penny of the dealer markup, so even if dealer markup went away due to increased supply, Chrysler would still come out ahead. It's Economics 101.

Originally Posted by kevin2323

hey look a guy who does his hw....

And I did mine: Base model 1SS - $30,945. Base model 2SS - $33,945. Base model Challenger SRT8 - $43,655. Notice in my post I specifically said "Base Model".

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

I don't have to come up with any excuse, because no one has shown a bone stock Challenger breaking into the 12s.

And I never said it was overpriced. I just think when a company has a product that has more demand then supply, common sense says to increase supply and make more money. Keep in mind that Chrysler doesn't get a penny of the dealer markup, so even if dealer markup went away due to increased supply, Chrysler would still come out ahead. It's Economics 101.



And I did mine: Base model 1SS - $30,945. Base model 2SS - $33,945. Base model Challenger SRT8 - $43,655. Notice in my post I specifically said "Base Model".

when you sell 29000 challengers in a year and you build 30000 you pretty much have the production right on point...you dont even need to know about economics for that one.

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

GM wasnt screwed over by Daimler Benz and Cerebitch. The fact is Chrysler didnt have the money to massively upgrade Brampton.

THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



YOU GUYS ACT LIKE IT WAS MOSTLY CHRYSLER'S FAULT ... THE POSITION THAT THEIR IN NOW

These guys are really trying to get on their feet, trying to find every lil dollar that they can muster so the can become competitive

... For the last time for the brick heads ... the Chally wasn't ment to be competitive (sales wise) they build 30k a year

[wbt]

It is about their roadmap that blows.

The other discussion going on is just a piss match.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by wbt

It is about their roadmap that blows.

The other discussion going on is just a piss match.

what do u mean by roadmap?

[wbt]

Read through the thread and you will find several of us who are not pleased with the Fiat deal, lack of progress and vision that has been laid out. It is full of fail.

Who gives a damn about a SRT8 with 500HP. Ford GT500 offers 540 and will trounce all over an SRT8 with more HP. If/when the Z28 releases expect the CTS-V drivetrain meaning another stomping. Puts Dodge at the bottom again for "future" thinking. I own 2 Chrysler products and both will be out of my ownership this year. Second issue that no one has mentioned is the PCM code on the Dodge vehicles. My CSRT has yet to be opened meaning tuning is non-existent unless you bypass which requires harness splicing. Pain in the balls.

Both Ford and GM offer PCM unlock capabilities which makes it easy to tune the cars for the mods installed. Another huge failure in the face of Chrysler/Fiat.

We can go on and on about the failures. Glad for those who like their Dodge vehicles. Too bad they are bottom of the line performers and the future with the Fiat platforms is not promising.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by wbt

Read through the thread and you will find several of us who are not pleased with the Fiat deal, lack of progress and vision that has been laid out. It is full of fail.

Who gives a damn about a SRT8 with 500HP. Ford GT500 offers 540 and will trounce all over an SRT8 with more HP. If/when the Z28 releases expect the CTS-V drivetrain meaning another stomping. Puts Dodge at the bottom again for "future" thinking. I own 2 Chrysler products and both will be out of my ownership this year. Second issue that no one has mentioned is the PCM code on the Dodge vehicles. My CSRT has yet to be opened meaning tuning is non-existent unless you bypass which requires harness splicing. Pain in the balls.

Both Ford and GM offer PCM unlock capabilities which makes it easy to tune the cars for the mods installed. Another huge failure in the face of Chrysler/Fiat.

We can go on and on about the failures. Glad for those who like their Dodge vehicles. Too bad they are bottom of the line performers and the future with the Fiat platforms is not promising.

lol say whats really on your mind...


to you its full of fail but to many it isnt...
dont be mad you didnt have the cash to drop in a stroker like you shouldve.....plus there is something called diablo predator if you were desperately in need of a tune. stop the crying and fork up the cash....you shouldve known b4 you bought the csrt8 that the hemis were the most expensive to mod since their re-introduction in 2005. anyone who has a hemi knows what mods are best for this engine.... and btw the gt500 stomps the challenger and itll stomp the camaro as well so you basically said gm isnt concerned about its future either.

lot of good things in chryslers future imo....youre just a negative nancy

ps not trying to say whether you have the cash to drop it or not....just my ranting

oh and how is the fiat line not promising please do tell?

they have small economical cars which is the fad and the one thing all critics say chrysler is missing.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

lol say whats really on your mind...


to you its full of fail but to many it isnt...
dont be mad you didnt have the cash to drop in a stroker like you shouldve.....plus there is something called diablo predator if you were desperately in need of a tune. stop the crying and fork up the cash....you shouldve known b4 you bought the csrt8 that the hemis were the most expensive to mod since their re-introduction in 2005.

lot of good things in chryslers future imo....youre just a negative nancy

ps not trying to say whether you have the cash to drop it or not....just my ranting

Oh my....your reading comprehension = FAIL....you work for Chrysler/Fiat?