Challenger falling behind in road courses?

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I expect the 21st century sports car Camaro that weighs hundreds of lbs less with the suspension tuned on the Nurburgring to handily beat the Challenger. What I can't figure out is your acceptance of it as a muscle car + your concern about its circuit performance. Muscle cars never did well on circuits, its not part of their heritage. So whats the big hang-up?

Your first statement is nothing more than Chevrolet trying to create the better vehicle. I'm more concerned with an American company's $15,000 less non-direct competitor besting it in a road course. However, I would side with Wikipedia in this case in saying the Challenger was a pony car. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Your first statement is nothing more than Chevrolet trying to create the better vehicle. I'm more concerned with an American company's $15,000 less non-direct competitor besting it in a road course. However, I would side with Wikipedia in this case in saying the Challenger was a pony car. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car

Ah, well in that case ... I can't rationalize why a pony car should do so poorly.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Sports Car. Sports Car. Sports Car....imo.

The real "muscle cars" are long gone. We call them this name purely in homage of past vehicles.

For instance, the DB9 is not a muscle car by popular definition, and the Camaro shares a very similar formula (minus lots of leather)...so....my .02

[2ndgenz28]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

It's a touring car first and absolutely foremost.

It’s a land yacht with out a sail

Which is sort of old school in a way, lot of old cars couldn’t turn or stop for crap.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Sports Car. Sports Car. Sports Car....imo.

The real "muscle cars" are long gone. We call them this name purely in homage of past vehicles.

For instance, the DB9 is not a muscle car by popular definition, and the Camaro shares a very similar formula (minus lots of leather)...so....my .02

Then if it's a sports car/pony car, then it should be doing better in the corners is all I'm saying.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by coolman

If you don't get the challenger than you never will. It's by far the coolest of the the three because it most closely resembles the past in looks and performance. LOL

I admit that the Challenger is a very nice looking vehicle. Its price just doesn't back up the performance for the most part. SAYING this, I would have a Challenger before even the new GT because performance isn't my absolute number one priority.

[305pride]

Originally Posted by coolman

That's why a had the LOL at the end. I was dead set on a challenger when they came out. I am a big mopar fan ,but when I saw what was coming down the pike as far as performance I had to wait and get camaro. Cheaper + more performance = better deal. My goal is to own all three. I'm going for the mustang next just because I think the challenger will come down in price more in another year and I also want yellow in the challenger. Who cares if it doesn't handle the best It's a sweet ride.

it is a sweet ride. i would definitely own a challenger before a mustang too, but the new stangs are pretty awesome lol they do need to knock down the price for the challenger though.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

They don't have 5 years. The next 2 will decide their fate.

May be right....I am getting out of mine before it hits the fan.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by wbt

May be right....I am getting out of mine before it hits the fan.

That makes no sense to me. You already own a vehicle, bailing on them now will only make their situation worse. And getting out early will probably cost you more than sticking around until they do fail, that is if they fail, which isn't a guarantee.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

That makes no sense to me. You already own a vehicle, bailing on them now will only make their situation worse. And getting out early will probably cost you more than sticking around until they do fail, that is if they fail, which isn't a guarantee.

Makes perfect sense to me and have no forsaken idea what you are referring to.

Dodge goes tits up and where you think my warranty goes? Someone will have to purchase that work 3rd party and parts will be almost impossible to get.

As it stands the CSRT parts are very rare and it is a 2 year production run car. When I bought it I did not anticipate Chrysler to be in the pickle they are today.

I purchased the car for $7K under MSRP new and will take a small hit when I get rid of it as it stands.

I will get rid of it while it has some value left and move into something that has a life thanks.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by wbt

Makes perfect sense to me and have no forsaken idea what you are referring to.

Dodge goes tits up and where you think my warranty goes? Someone will have to purchase that work 3rd party and parts will be almost impossible to get.

As it stands the CSRT parts are very rare and it is a 2 year production run car. When I bought it I did not anticipate Chrysler to be in the pickle they are today.

I purchased the car for $7K under MSRP new and will take a small hit when I get rid of it as it stands.

I will get rid of it while it has some value left and move into something that has a life thanks.

Do what you've gotta do I guess.

[Stew]

I have always seen the Challenger as the one I want to go cross country in or drive everday. It is a tourer, a top speed autobahn type car. Because it has differrent strengths in other areas, doesn't mean it's less of a car. Yes the Camaro and Mustang are better track performers, but a Challenger is like Harley, it's not about racing it, it's about enjoying it and being seen in it. I don't personally look at a motor trend and say "damn that car only ran a 13.1 in the quarter mile and only pulled .88G on the skidbuy, no way I'd buy it!" I go drive the cars and get what I like, what my heart tells me "I" am gonna like. Really, how many buyers even pick up a car magazine these days?

[Dakota Kid]

Originally Posted by Stew

I have always seen the Challenger as the one I want to go cross country in or drive everday. It is a tourer, a top speed autobahn type car. Because it has differrent strengths in other areas, doesn't mean it's less of a car. Yes the Camaro and Mustang are better track performers, but a Challenger is like Harley, it's not about racing it, it's about enjoying it and being seen in it. I don't personally look at a motor trend and say "damn that car only ran a 13.1 in the quarter mile and only pulled .88G on the skidbuy, no way I'd buy it!" I go drive the cars and get what I like, what my heart tells me "I" am gonna like. Really, how many buyers even pick up a car magazine these days?

I hear you, Stew. We bought the SS, but to be honest on the street I RARELY open it up....so the performance advantage vis a vis the Challenger is mostly moot.

Folks, buy what you like, and what floats your boat.

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by wbt

I honestly believe Dodge/Chrysler are in BIG trouble and could be on their way out. The next 5 years will be very interesting....

Not sure if they'll survive. They're line-up has become quite stagnant while GM and Ford have released and are about to release some really nice new vehicles. Chrysler's first move should be to axe that ugly Caliber