Philosophy, opinions needed!!!!

[coolman]

Originally Posted by AdnanHfuda

‘we see and understand things not as they are but as we are'

Im writing an essay about this quote and the nature of the topic requires other peoples opinions any help appreciated

Their is at least 500 or 600 threads on this very site that proves this.

[2ndgenz28]

Environment dictates out come.

[Iwantone2]

Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28

Environment dictates out come.

uh-oh...I was afraid somebody would bring up the "Nature vs. Nurture" argument.

[CJ Man]

Head.............................................. ..............................Hurts...........

[Iwantone2]

Adnan, I think you should somehow link the end of the first paragraph with the beginning of the second paragraph, then the end of the 2nd paragraph with the beginning of the 3rd paragraph and so on.

[AdnanHfuda]

Originally Posted by Iwantone2

Adnan, I think you should somehow link the end of the first paragraph with the beginning of the second paragraph, then the end of the 2nd paragraph with the beginning of the 3rd paragraph and so on.

Ill do that tomorow, its one in the morning over here and i gota get some shut eye. thanks for the help again

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28

Environment dictates out come.

Not true.

Maybe the OP could use the Bulger family as an example. Of the six children in the family, two stand out. James 'Whitey' Bulger has lived a life of crime, done prison time, is currently on the FBIs most wanted list, and has been profiled on America's Most Wanted. His brother William has lived an honest life, he is the former President of the Massachusetts State Senate and the University of Massachusetts.

[JMM1181]

‘we see and understand things not as they are but as we are'

I'll give this a shot.

All of life is a projection of what is in us, and while things may 'appear' to be objective, in reality, we are always peering out at the world through human eyes. Whether we are looking through the lens of a high-powered microscope or telescope reaching into the heavens we are still peering out through human eyes. All of what we encounter can only come out of what is already within us, Carl Jung used to say that "what irritates us most about others can lead us to a better understanding of ourselves," and the term 'projection' is now a well-known psychological term, as we only project content that exists already within our own psychic content unto the world around us in order to better understand the world and our relationship to it. We cannot be separate from what is 'out there' as much as we cannot be separate from our own consciousness, we can employ terms like 'objectivity' but these are inherently invalid from a psychological standpoint.

Much of this borders on the psychology of an individual, people will always come to describe the exact same object in different ways- all of which are creative expressions which arise from the material they have to select from within themselves. Another interesting quote is from famed philosopher James Allen who once wrote, “Circumstances do not make the man, they reveal him.” What he is saying is that what happens in our life does not necessarily reflect a new expression of ourselves, rather, they reveal what was already inside. When we are angry and blow up on the guy driving next to us for cutting us off, we are revealing what's inside- not necessarily what was done to us.

Even those known as spiritual teachers or gurus understand that there is nothing that readily distinguishes them from any other person- they have bad things happen to them just as any other person would encounter, the difference isn't in what happens to them but how they respond to what happens to them. Where as many would react with anger, they react with peace.

It's not what happens to you in life, it's how you process it and respond to it- that will tell you a lot more about yourself than anything else. It's easy to be a great person when things are going great and circumstances cooperate, but the real test is being that same good person when things are not great and you're being squeezed from all angles of life- it's at that time when you'll realize, circumstances do not make a man, they reveal him.

[Iwantone2]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Not true.

Maybe the OP could use the Bulger family as an example. Of the six children in the family, two stand out. James 'Whitey' Bulger has lived a life of crime, done prison time, is currently on the FBIs most wanted list, and has been profiled on America's Most Wanted. His brother William has lived an honest life, he is the former President of the Massachusetts State Senate and the University of Massachusetts.

again, "Nature vs. Nurture"...

Originally Posted by JMM1181

‘we see and understand things not as they are but as we are'

I'll give this a shot.

All of life is a projection of what is in us, and while things may 'appear' to be objective, in reality, we are always peering out at the world through human eyes. Whether we are looking through the lens of a high-powered microscope or telescope reaching into the heavens we are still peering out through human eyes. All of what we encounter can only come out of what is already within us, Carl Jung used to say that "what irritates us most about others can lead us to a better understanding of ourselves," and the term 'projection' is now a well-known psychological term, as we only project content that exists already within our own psychic content unto the world around us in order to be understand the world and our relationship to it. We cannot be separate from what is 'out there' as much as we cannot be separate from our own consciousness, we can employ terms like 'objectivity' but these are inherently invalid from a psychological standpoint.

Much of this borders on the psychology of an individual, people will always come to describe the exact same object in different ways- all of which are creative expressions which arise from the material they have to select from within themselves. Another interesting quote from a famed philosopher James Allen who once wrote, “Circumstances do not make the man, they reveal him.” What he is saying is that what happens in our life do not reflect a new expression of ourselves, rather, they reveal what was already inside. When we are angry and blow up on the guy driving next to us for cutting us off, we are revealing what's inside- not necessarily what was done to us.

Even those known as spiritual teachers or gurus understand that there is nothing that readily distinguishes them from any other person- they have bad things happen to them just as any other person would encounter, the difference isn't in what happens to them but how they respond to what happens to them. Where as many would react with anger, they react with peace.

It's not what happens to you in life, it's how you process it and respond to it- that will tell you a lot more about yourself than anything else. It's easy to be a great person when things are going great and circumstances cooperate, but the real test is being that same good person when things are not great and you're being squeezed from all angles of life- it's at that time when you'll realize, circumstances do not make a man, they reveal him.

wow...thanks for putting the rest of us to shame

just kidding, very well written

[CamaroFemme]

Originally Posted by AdnanHfuda

‘we see and understand things not as they are but as we are'

Im writing an essay about this quote and the nature of the topic requires other peoples opinions any help appreciated

Ha, this is pretty cool. Anais Nin's quote "We do not see things as they are - we see them as we are" is my e-mail sig. Essentially, it is saying that we filter our reality through ourselves, thus we always shade that reality.

That's why you can have two arguing friends tell you two different versions of the same fight, and both friends truly believe they are right. Usually, each one of them will (perhaps even unconsciously) boost their side of things and downgrade the other person's.

[Iwantone2]

Originally Posted by CamaroFemme

Ha, this is pretty cool. Anais Nin's quote "We do not see things as they are - we see them as we are" is my e-mail sig. Essentially, it is saying that we filter our reality through ourselves, thus we always shade that reality.

That's why you can have two arguing friends tell you two different versions of the same fight, and both friends truly believe they are right. Usually, each one of them will (perhaps even unconsciously) boost their side of things and downgrade the other person's.

This sounds very similar to a break-up

Adnan, how's that paper coming along?

[AdnanHfuda]

Originally Posted by Iwantone2

This sounds very similar to a break-up

Adnan, how's that paper coming along?

its coming been busy today so couldnt get much done. draft of it is due on sunday

[Banshee]

What is blue and what is a chair? Why is blue called blue and why is a chair a chair?

Studied Kant, Kierkegaard, Russell, Descartes...among others...It is not simple or defined but as perception.

An eccentric philosophy professor gave a one question final exam after a semester dealing with a broad array of topics. The class was already seated and ready to go when the professor picked up his chair, plopped it on his desk and wrote on the board: "Using everything we have learned this semester, prove that this chair does not exist."

Fingers flew, erasers erased, notebooks were filled in furious fashion. Some students wrote over 30 pages in one hour attempting to refute the existence of the chair. One member of the class however, was up and finished in less than a minute.

Weeks later when the grades were posted, the rest of the group wondered how he could have gotten an A when he had barely written anything at all. His answer consisted of two words: "What chair?"

[Iwantone2]

Originally Posted by Banshee

What is blue and what is a chair? Why is blue called blue and why is a chair a chair?

Studied Kant, Kierkegaard, Russell, Descartes...among others...It is not simple or defined but as perception.

An eccentric philosophy professor gave a one question final exam after a semester dealing with a broad array of topics. The class was already seated and ready to go when the professor picked up his chair, plopped it on his desk and wrote on the board: "Using everything we have learned this semester, prove that this chair does not exist."

Fingers flew, erasers erased, notebooks were filled in furious fashion. Some students wrote over 30 pages in one hour attempting to refute the existence of the chair. One member of the class however, was up and finished in less than a minute.

Weeks later when the grades were posted, the rest of the group wondered how he could have gotten an A when he had barely written anything at all. His answer consisted of two words: "What chair?"

Really makes you think...