Ford Mustang Outsells Chevy Camaro in 2009

[a_Username]

This is pure speculation on my part, but I think they'll bring the Z28 out when the sales start to go in the Mustang's favor. They may even wait until the Shelby gets its rumored TT 5.0L. I'll agree the major changes will occur in 2012, considering there is simply just not enough time to get something that will change performance, aside from Gears and a less conservative tune. I personally wouldn't go into the different tuning territory considering they may have to add the gas guzzler tax, given they don't find a way to keep the same MPG ratings they have now. Gears are basically confirmed for 2011 though, if I recall correctly. I expect a track pack, or some type of performance oriented option to be offered in 2012.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by a_Username

This is pure speculation on my part, but I think they'll bring the Z28 out when the sales start to go in the Mustang's favor. They may even wait until the Shelby gets its rumored TT 5.0L. I'll agree the major changes will occur in 2012, considering there is simply just not enough time to get something that will change performance, aside from Gears and a less conservative tune. I personally wouldn't go into the different tuning territory considering they may have to add the gas guzzler tax, given they don't find a way to keep the same MPG ratings they have now. Gears are basically confirmed for 2011 though, if I recall correctly. I expect a track pack, or some type of performance oriented option to be offered in 2012.

The only reason I suspect a tune for the V6's is to just baaarely pass the Mustangs as a "haa haa..got ya" type.

I suspect they can get a tune which will preserve the fuel economy and pick up a bit of power.

The tune would need to get pretty aggressive indeed and so would the changes to slap a GG tax on a V6 Camaro!

[AngryAmish]

Originally Posted by a_Username

You mean the ones who justified the Mustang being better because of its ability to perform better in individual handling tests?

Better, or "more spirited"?

I mean I'm just sayin'... most of the articles I read used the term more spirited, not better. It leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Like, for example, a bull with rabies is probably more spirited than a regular one. That does not mean it handles better.

Also, for the other guy:

For anyone who lists the engine note as a main factor of purchase...don't you think they would be picky enough to install aftermarket? Also, engine sound is about as subjective a thing as possible on a car. To be honest, I can't think of many other things thats debated more.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

The only reason I suspect a tune for the V6's is to just baaarely pass the Mustangs as a "haa haa..got ya" type.

I suspect they can get a tune which will preserve the fuel economy and pick up a bit of power.

The tune would need to get pretty aggressive indeed and so would the changes to slap a GG tax on a V6 Camaro!

Oh yeah they could mess around a lot on the V6, I read your post wrong. I thought you were talking about the V8 models lol.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by AngryAmish

Better, or "more spirited"?

I mean I'm just sayin'... most of the articles I read used the term more spirited, not better. It leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Like, for example, a bull with rabies is probably more spirited than a regular one. That does not mean it handles better.

Also, for the other guy:

For anyone who lists the engine note as a main factor of purchase...don't you think they would be picky enough to install aftermarket? Also, engine sound is about as subjective a thing as possible on a car. To be honest, I can't think of many other things thats debated more.

I'm definitely sure the 2010 GT had better Slalom, Skipad numbers, etc. And I do believe they also, like you stated, gave the Mustang the subjective win about the feel of the car.

[AngryAmish]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I'm definitely sure the 2010 GT had better Slalom, Skipad numbers, etc. And I do believe they also, like you stated, gave the Mustang the subjective win about the feel of the car.

Fair enough.

Serious question though...I'm not trying to dick you around with this. What is a more important measuring stick: slalom and skidpads or track times like the lightning lap? I mean, generally, we are led to believe by these mags that all these individual statistics add up and show which is the better car. But if its the better car, why does it not outperform at the track?

Somebody, somewhere, is selling snake oil. Thats all I'm saying.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by AngryAmish

Fair enough.

Serious question though...I'm not trying to dick you around with this. What is a more important measuring stick: slalom and skidpads or track times like the lightning lap? I mean, generally, we are led to believe by these mags that all these individual statistics add up and show which is the better car. But if its the better car, why does it not outperform at the track?

Somebody, somewhere, is selling snake oil. Thats all I'm saying.

Dude... I was just stating the fact of it getting better individual numbers. I've made the same argument you just made countless times against many mustang owners who came onto Camaro5 lol.

[AngryAmish]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Dude... I was just stating the fact of it getting better individual numbers. I've made the same argument you just made countless times against many mustang owners who came onto Camaro5 lol.

Yeah, but I'm not trying to make an arguement dude. I'm sincerely asking you what you feel is more important. Mostly because I'm trying to gauge for myself which is more important.


Same goes for anyone else that wants to chime in. I'll happily take all opinions. This doesn't have to be the Username/Amish show.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by AngryAmish

Yeah, but I'm not trying to make an arguement dude. I'm sincerely asking you what you feel is more important. Mostly because I'm trying to gauge for myself which is more important.


Same goes for anyone else that wants to chime in. I'll happily take all opinions. This doesn't have to be the Username/Amish show.

Winning the overall race is what matters. In the performance side of things for the 2010 MY, the Camaro is the best bang for your buck. There is not one car in its price range that can beat it in the 1/4 mile, and it is showing what a fantastic performer it is on the tracks now. It is defeating track oriented vehicles such as the Evos and WRXs on the tracks, as well as just running away from its competition in the 1/4 mile. Winning one individual performance test should not be enough for any car enthusiast to justify a car being better than the other. Think about it like this: It's like having a football team with one of the best QBs in the game, but yet still losing almost every game you play. Personally, I'd rather have one average player but my team is absolutely solid. I believe you can figure out which is the Mustang and which is the Camaro in this analogy.

[MSG']

I'm not reading over 5 pages of posts, but they did update thier article...

"UPDATE: As many of you pointed out in the comments and after having a conversation with Chevy's Adam Denison, we didn't analyze the data properly. In our haste to get this story posted, we failed to note that the Camaro didn't go on sale until June of 2009 and that Chevy sold more Camaros each month thereafter, including December."

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

agreed...

Next year is the real test for the Camaro...

indeed.

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

It's okay...let them have this "win"..

Next year we can compare the model year sales. Muhahahaha

(we dont have an evil laugh smiley)

Originally Posted by CamaroScotty

...but there isn't a mustang5.com site

there is, its in work.

Originally Posted by wbt

I ask you the same question. Only projected model change/announcement is the convertible. Outside of that nadda. Even the "beloved" Z28 is nothing more than hot air and rumor. I spoke with a few dealers recently about it as well.. I am still undecided on getting a 2011 Mustang GT or a 2010/2011 Camaro SS and have kept tabs on it all pretty closely.

who says they have to make a full model change? they can just throw different options out at the car... like a track pack for instance.

Originally Posted by wbt

I would love to see a 3.73. Inability to get anything but a 3.45 and no aftermarket gears available have been a sticking point with me. Hope that rumor comes true.

there are aftermarket gears available

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ighlight=gears

Originally Posted by MSG'

I'm not reading over 5 pages of posts, but they did update thier article...

"UPDATE: As many of you pointed out in the comments and after having a conversation with Chevy's Adam Denison, we didn't analyze the data properly. In our haste to get this story posted, we failed to note that the Camaro didn't go on sale until June of 2009 and that Chevy sold more Camaros each month thereafter, including December."

lmao

[comiskeybum]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

Really you went to the future to check out the mustangs performance and weight? Far better engine sound WTF? Really? You really think people say "well I think the mustang sounds better" LOL

Then your assuming the Camaro will have 0 changes on top of that.

I love you future people.


Want to make a bet on that 20lbs heavier nonsense?

20lbs is what ford has said............not me. ford.

[comiskeybum]

and yes its very well documented by every single car magazine and individual people on this very website that the mustang sounds WAY better than the camaro.

[rodimus prime]

Originally Posted by comiskeybum

and yes its very well documented by every single car magazine and individual people on this very website that the mustang sounds WAY better than the camaro.

My point was who cares?


Man your cars faster than mine, but mine sounds better


Thats like the ricer dorks that sit in parking lots and use sound meters to see whos car is louder.

Sound? LOL really. Hey guys my car sounds better.

LOL. Ive never even noticed the sound a mustang gt makes, because its not like its a ferreri or anything. Sounds like your typical whimpy v8.



Puts on best limp wristed voice "hey guys do you want to come over and check out how my mustang sound waaaay better than the new camaro? It would be totally awsome".


Sorry thats just dumb.