2011 Ford Mustang 5.0 V8 Engine Pics Leaked

[nickmccally]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

How is that foul play?! They're sticking their necks out, putting facts out for all to see...We know it's silly: But interpretation is determined by education on the subject...and in the general market, the odds are in their favor some shmoe will see 304 > 300.

My mustang is stock. They get 315hp from ford and dynoed stock run over 320 hp. Where are you getting 300???

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by nickmccally

Lets get this very clear. They can't false advertise or that would end up in a law suit. Lets show what GM does though, should we?

grab.by/1lOr

Thats GM comparing the LT model to the Mustang GT model (completely a joke considering the GT is a v8 no matter the horses because the torque is no where close to the LT model and weight comparison. http://grab.by/1tCM

That is more foul play than anything else.

You can't sue Ford for false advertising in this case because this is a PRESS RELEASE and not an advertisement. If they get caught in a lie in a press release they can post a retraction.

Ever heard of a newspaper posting a smear piece on a political person they don't approve of using a bold front page story? Then publishing a correction the next day in 6 point type in the bottom of the obituary section. As slimy as this is, it DOES happen and you cannot sue them for it. It's "PRESS" and they are not required to tell the truth. They can say it was a mistake or typo if they print something wrong.

Besides, the entire press release is full of "weasel words" like "Unsurpassed PROJECTED FUel Economy".

If it doesn't meet projections, then so what? It's not the same as putting on a superbowl ad and saying 30MPG!

[nickmccally]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

You can't sue Ford for false advertising in this case because this is a PRESS RELEASE and not an advertisement. If they get caught in a lie in a press release they can post a retraction.

Ever heard of a newspaper posting a smear piece on a political person they don't approve of using a bold front page story? Then publishing a correction the next day in 6 point type in the bottom of the obituary section. As slimy as this is, it DOES happen and you cannot sue them for it. It's "PRESS" and they are not required to tell the truth. They can say it was a mistake or typo if they print something wrong.

Besides, the entire press release is full of "weasel words" like "Unsurpassed PROJECTED FUel Economy".

If it doesn't meet projections, then so what? It's not the same as putting on a superbowl ad and saying 30MPG!

That is actually a correct number, and you will see it advertised once the car is readily available.

"Weasel words" are actually marketing techniques not only used by Ford, but GM too.

Notice there is no asterisk by the 30MPG


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Happy new years, no arguing. You have a camaro, be happy with it and just be glad there is competition for GM to make camaro's better. Competition fell short the last few years for the Mustang and so did the engine output.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by nickmccally

Lets get this very clear. They can't false advertise or that would end up in a law suit. Lets show what GM does though, should we?

grab.by/1lOr

Thats GM comparing the LT model to the Mustang GT model (completely a joke considering the GT is a v8 no matter the horses because the torque is no where close to the LT model and weight comparison. http://grab.by/1tCM

That is more foul play than anything else.

Dude, you're really grasping at straws here.

The Chevy ad says the Camaro V6 gets better fuel economy than the Mustang GT and the 370Z.

The only way this is "foul play" would be for you to prove to us that the Mustang GT gets better mileage according to the EPA. (Not gonna happen.)

They could also say the Camaro V6 gets better mileage than the Dodge Viper and better mileage than a Toyota Tundra and it would be just as true... however those cars are not in the same market segment and not direct competitors.

You just can't face the fact that the 2010 Camaro was marketed it, and capable of stealing sales from the Mustang GT. Chevy felt that the V6 Camaro was more directly competing with the V8 Mustang.

And if you think that the lame-duck 2010 V6 mustang was in any way, shape, or form competative with the V6 2010 Camaro then you're really grasping.

The Chevy ad clearly shows that the Camaro V6 is being compared to the V8 mustang and the entire ad campaign is based on the invitation for the public to come see the GM cars for themselves and make up their own minds.

"May the best car win" is pretty clearly NOT "foul play".

[nickmccally]

lmao, well everybody the new ford ad shall be the fusion gets better gas milage than the corvette zr1. Let compare bannas to bannas.. Not bannas to banna flavored shakes. The shake has more calories and tastes better.

EDIT: If chevy thought it was comparable with the v8, they would say - More MPG compared to Mustang GT. They didn't, you know why? Cause they aren't comparable so they used an asterisk.

[Captain Awesome]

[QUOTE=nickmccally;1337281]
"Weasel words" are actually marketing techniques not only used by Ford, but GM too.

Notice there is no asterisk by the 30MPG

[QUOTE]

What's an asterisk get to do with anything?

[nickmccally]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

What's an asterisk get to do with anything?

The asterisk in the GM advert with the TINY writing "Mustang GT 26"

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by nickmccally

lmao, well everybody the new ford ad shall be the fusion gets better gas milage than the corvette zr1. Let compare bannas to bannas.. Not bannas to banna flavored shakes. The shake has more calories and tastes better.

Sounds to me like someone is a little miffed that Chevy thinks that consumers might actually prefer a rich chocolate bar over a chocolate shake with more calories.

EDIT: If chevy thought it was comparable with the v8, they would say - More MPG compared to Mustang GT. They didn't, you know why? Cause they aren't comparable so they used an asterisk.

Are you even looking at the same ad as I am? Here's a copy taken from the link provided. It CLEARLY says that it's a V6 Camaro compared to the Mustang GT. It DOES NOT say "Camaro SS" either.

In fact, the ad says "Mustang GT" TWICE.

If you're not even going to look at what you're complaining about then I'm not going to respond anymore because you're going to get the topic closed.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by nickmccally

The asterisk in the GM advert with the TINY writing "Mustang GT 26"

Oh the one I just posted that says "Mustang GT" in large font just above all that.

The dreaded "asterisk" is a footnote that lists the actual EPA numbers for the vehicles. It's NOT some conspiracy to hide the fact they are talking about the GT.

Get over it.

[meanmike]

Lol!

[nickmccally]

Its a marketing tactic. They used the v6 when stating camaro, not LT. Your average person probably doesn't even know the GT is a v8.

The mustang gt with track pack gets 4.9 0-60 the ss gets 4.7. The LT gets 6 second 0-60. They aren't comparable is what I am saying.

I don't understand what I would have done to get a topic close - someone complained about ford's advertising methods so I pointed something out more drastic by GM. If you read on the other page I said why argue, just be glad we have competition.

EDIT: Also ford put "projected" because its probably not been EPA rated.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by nickmccally

Its a marketing tactic. They used the v6 when stating camaro, not LT. Your average person probably doesn't even know the GT is a v8.

The mustang gt with track pack gets 4.9 0-60 the ss gets 4.7. The LT gets 6 second 0-60. They aren't comparable is what I am saying.

I don't understand what I would have done to get a topic close - someone complained about ford's advertising methods so I pointed something out more drastic by GM. If you read on the other page I said why argue, just be glad we have competition.

EDIT: Also ford put "projected" because its probably not been EPA rated.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that your average person who doesn't even know the GT is a V8 might consider buying a Camaro V6 instead. Not everyone CARES about Track Pack and all that jazz.

It REALLY must bug you that GM is (sucessfully) able to compare a V6 Camaro to a V8 Mustang. It's NOT all about the V8/V6 to many people... they might prefer the handling or comfort or IRS or the styling or the features. A loaded V6 Camaro 2LT/RS will cost the same as a "stripper" Mustang GT AND get better fuel economy. People that are cross shopping these cars will know that and MANY of them will opt for the Camaro. DEAL WITH IT. (Why do you think Ford totally reworked their V6 model for 2011???)

And the ad said "V6" and not "LT" because BOTH the "LT" and "LS" models are V6 and BOTH get better gas mileage than a 2010 Mustang GT. For what it's worth they ALSO get better mileage than a 2010 mustang V6 too (but those are so outclassed by the Camaro they aren't considered competition)

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Why is it so hard for you to understand that your average person who doesn't even know the GT is a V8 might consider buying a Camaro V6 instead. Not everyone CARES about Track Pack and all that jazz.

It REALLY must bug you that GM is (sucessfully) able to compare a V6 Camaro to a V8 Mustang. It's NOT all about the V8/V6 to many people... they might prefer the handling or comfort or IRS or the styling or the features. A loaded V6 Camaro 2LT/RS will cost the same as a "stripper" Mustang GT AND get better fuel economy. People that are cross shopping these cars will know that and MANY of them will opt for the Camaro. DEAL WITH IT. (Why do you think Ford totally reworked their V6 model for 2011???)

And the ad said "V6" and not "LT" because BOTH the "LT" and "LS" models are V6 and BOTH get better gas mileage than a 2010 Mustang GT. For what it's worth they ALSO get better mileage than a 2010 mustang V6 too (but those are so outclassed by the Camaro they aren't considered competition)

The average person who doesn't know the Mustang GT comes with a V8 wouldn't give a $hit about muscle cars.

Next.

[nickmccally]

Sure, I'll make a site tomorrow comparing the GT-R with the Camaro. I mean, they are in the same class- correct?

If the camaro LT or LS was any competition to the Mustang GT the 0-60 numbers wouldnt be so far fetched.

It is like Ford comparing the 2011 Mustang to the 2011 Camaro SS because the 2011 Mustang is faster than the 2011 Camaro LS and LT. Not only in HP, gas mileage, but also in weight.

Simply put it is an unfair comparison. You've taken this way to far - keep the the topic of the 5.0 Mustang. Not the advertising materials.