Why, GM, why?

JaysonAych · 09-18-2008, 05:27 PM

GM has decided that their excitement brand needs to sell Aveos in the US, so that's what they're going to do. Meet the Pontiac G3.

I remember a couple of years ago GM swore they were going to cut down on the badge engineering, and then a couple of weeks later, they announced they were bringing the Pontiac Cobalt-clone from Canada, and now they're doing the same with the Wave/Aveo.

*The_Blur* · 09-18-2008, 05:28 PM

They have to sell those small cars. It's a need more than a want I'm sure.

JaysonAych · 09-18-2008, 05:34 PM

It's one thing to sell a small car, but to tout Pontiac as a performance brand while selling a copy of a Chevy Aveo is a huge stretch. If Pontiac is going to sell a small car, and if it has to be from the Aveo family, it needs to offer some performance options not offered on the Chevy, and some different sheetmetal would be a giant plus. Slapping a different fascia on it and saying it's a Pontiac is part of the GM old-think that helped erode GM's market share over the last 30 years.

*CamaroSpike23* · 09-18-2008, 08:58 PM

they coulda called it an oldsmobile or buick... lol

stovt001 · 09-18-2008, 10:25 PM

The conversation probably went something like this:

Exec 1: Man, that Aveo just isn't killing the competition like we want it to.
Exec 2: I know. I mean look at the Fit. It is the epitome of value, simplicity, and functionality. Then Ford is coming out with the stylish and fun Fiesta. Both of these cars are way more upscale than the Aveo.
Exec 1: Well we just have to sell these fuel efficient cars. They're the new hot product, and regulations require it anyway.
Exec 2: So do you think we should design and engineer a competing car that one-ups our rivals, redefines the segment, and presents a great image of the brand to our youngest buyers, giving them a reason to stick with us as they trade up?
Exec 1: Perhaps... but do you know what would work even better? Let's rebadge our low-buck, low thrills, antiquated econobox, slap on a new nose, hand it to our mid-range performance division, and give it and the original car half the marketing budget they need to succeed!
Exec 2: Brilliant! Now that's the kind of smart thinking that got us where we are today. And you know, if this works out, maybe we can give Cadillac a rebadged Aveo and call it the Cimmarron II, and give Pontiac another Lambda crossover and call it the G12.
Exec 1: Oh, that project is almost finished. The badges are just coming off the press now.

JaysonAych · 09-19-2008, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by stovt001

And you know, if this works out, maybe we can give Cadillac a rebadged Aveo and call it the Cimmarron II, and give Pontiac another Lambda crossover and call it the G12.

I know you're joking, but I could almost see it happening

bouncertime · 09-19-2008, 10:45 AM

What they should of done is rebadged the Saturn Astra as a G4.

*Camaro_Corvette* · 09-19-2008, 10:50 AM

More badge play..

Oh thats the chevy aveo...oh wait no its a pontiac g3...or was it an aveo...whatever

I'm just gonna stop separating brands within GM, i'm just gonna say from now on ...Oh thats the GM aveo/g3. There is no reason, NO REASON AT ALL, for there to be two different aveos. If it wasn't selling before, rebaging it won't make it sell better!

*The_Blur* · 09-19-2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by camaro_corvette

More badge play..

Oh thats the chevy aveo...oh wait no its a pontiac g3...or was it an aveo...whatever

I'm just gonna stop separating brands within GM, i'm just gonna say from now on ...Oh thats the GM aveo/g3. There is no reason, NO REASON AT ALL, for there to be two different aveos. If it wasn't selling before, rebaging it won't make it sell better!

MCPOAJ · 09-19-2008, 12:45 PM

G5's are gay... They completly copied the cobalt... and stole my motor... and my friend calls his G5 a cobalt and it pisses me off

*The_Blur* · 09-19-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MCPOAJ

G5's are gay... They completly copied the cobalt... and stole my motor... and my friend calls his G5 a cobalt and it pisses me off

I'd feel the same way if I were still driving one. At least the Ion has a totally different look.

bouncertime · 09-19-2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MCPOAJ

G5's are gay... They completly copied the cobalt... and stole my motor... and my friend calls his G5 a cobalt and it pisses me off

I own a 2001 Blazer with the ZR2 off-road package, but all my friends call it a Jimmy, probably cause my name is Jimmy. But is drives me nuts, cause they built a few ZR2 Jimmy's and they were only sold in Canada.

MCPOAJ · 09-19-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Blur

I'd feel the same way if I were still driving one. At least the Ion has a totally different look.

i'm cool with the ion's they at least changed the body

*DGthe3* · 09-20-2008, 01:34 PM

I can't understand why they are renaming it to the G3. They are already built as the Wave for Canada. But at its heart its a Dae Woo no matter what its called. I think its also one of GM's best selling vehicles (one you add up all the different names it sells under)

09-18-2008, 05:27 PM	#1
JaysonAych Drives: 2002 Dodge Stratus Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Louisville Posts: 429 View My Garage	Why, GM, why? GM has decided that their excitement brand needs to sell Aveos in the US, so that's what they're going to do. Meet the Pontiac G3. I remember a couple of years ago GM swore they were going to cut down on the badge engineering, and then a couple of weeks later, they announced they were bringing the Pontiac Cobalt-clone from Canada, and now they're doing the same with the Wave/Aveo. __________________ Better make sure my passing lane change blinker works...

09-18-2008, 05:28 PM	#2
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09-18-2008, 05:34 PM	#3
JaysonAych Drives: 2002 Dodge Stratus Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Louisville Posts: 429 View My Garage	It's one thing to sell a small car, but to tout Pontiac as a performance brand while selling a copy of a Chevy Aveo is a huge stretch. If Pontiac is going to sell a small car, and if it has to be from the Aveo family, it needs to offer some performance options not offered on the Chevy, and some different sheetmetal would be a giant plus. Slapping a different fascia on it and saying it's a Pontiac is part of the GM old-think that helped erode GM's market share over the last 30 years. __________________ Better make sure my passing lane change blinker works...

09-18-2008, 10:25 PM	#5
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	The conversation probably went something like this: Exec 1: Man, that Aveo just isn't killing the competition like we want it to. Exec 2: I know. I mean look at the Fit. It is the epitome of value, simplicity, and functionality. Then Ford is coming out with the stylish and fun Fiesta. Both of these cars are way more upscale than the Aveo. Exec 1: Well we just have to sell these fuel efficient cars. They're the new hot product, and regulations require it anyway. Exec 2: So do you think we should design and engineer a competing car that one-ups our rivals, redefines the segment, and presents a great image of the brand to our youngest buyers, giving them a reason to stick with us as they trade up? Exec 1: Perhaps... but do you know what would work even better? Let's rebadge our low-buck, low thrills, antiquated econobox, slap on a new nose, hand it to our mid-range performance division, and give it and the original car half the marketing budget they need to succeed! Exec 2: Brilliant! Now that's the kind of smart thinking that got us where we are today. And you know, if this works out, maybe we can give Cadillac a rebadged Aveo and call it the Cimmarron II, and give Pontiac another Lambda crossover and call it the G12. Exec 1: Oh, that project is almost finished. The badges are just coming off the press now. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

09-19-2008, 10:45 AM	#7
bouncertime Miller High Life Drives: 2021 Camaro LT1, 2017 Colorado Z71 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,199 View My Garage	What they should of done is rebadged the Saturn Astra as a G4. __________________ Jimmy

09-19-2008, 10:50 AM	#8
Camaro_Corvette 36.58625, -121.7568 Drives: Team 1LE Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 23,710 View My Garage	More badge play.. Oh thats the chevy aveo...oh wait no its a pontiac g3...or was it an aveo...whatever I'm just gonna stop separating brands within GM, i'm just gonna say from now on ...Oh thats the GM aveo/g3. There is no reason, NO REASON AT ALL, for there to be two different aveos. If it wasn't selling before, rebaging it won't make it sell better! __________________ I am seriously never serious vv V vv Next order of business

09-19-2008, 12:45 PM	#10
MCPOAJ Drives: LS2 FD RX7 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NE. Posts: 664	G5's are gay... They completly copied the cobalt... and stole my motor... and my friend calls his G5 a cobalt and it pisses me off

09-20-2008, 01:34 PM	#14
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	I can't understand why they are renaming it to the G3. They are already built as the Wave for Canada. But at its heart its a Dae Woo no matter what its called. I think its also one of GM's best selling vehicles (one you add up all the different names it sells under) __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum