Toyota fights Volt-favoring legislation - Page 2

SS4EVER · 09-17-2008, 03:22 PM

That's bullsh*t... I'm almost positive I read somewhere that the Japanese government has funded a lot of the research that Toyota has done in alternative energy.

You don't see GM crying about it. This is America for Christ's sake... C'mon...

F*ck Toyota.

camaro&T/A · 09-17-2008, 06:30 PM

HEY TOYOTA:
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*DGthe3* · 09-17-2008, 09:07 PM

I'll won't bother attacking Toyota, everybody else seems to have done that already and I have nothing to add. Sooooo . . . anybody else notice that the credits could reach $7500? That puts the cost of the Volt in the area of $30k, maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less. But that brings it back down to a price where people will be able to save money by owning the car vs most alternatives. I think the Prius has a ~$3000 rebate with it.

The other interesting thing is that it is proposed for cars that have 6kWh (or more) batteries, which means ~15 mi electric range and reduced cost compared to the Volt. Thats important because the Volt might be able to cheat the EPA test and not use any fuel. If it doesen't use any fuel, it can't be rated for fuel economy which means it can't help GM's CAFE numbers which would really suck.

TFord · 09-17-2008, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SS4EVER

That's bullsh*t... I'm almost positive I read somewhere that the Japanese government has funded a lot of the research that Toyota has done in alternative energy.

You don't see GM crying about it. This is America for Christ's sake... C'mon...

F*ck Toyota.

or whining that they dont sell our cars there!

headpunter · 09-17-2008, 11:46 PM

does anyone else love the way the shifter moves into the center dash thing

TFord · 09-18-2008, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by headpunter

does anyone else love the way the shifter moves into the center dash thing

I didnt notice that untill you said something! that is nice, and very different.

BowtieGuy · 09-18-2008, 12:40 AM

Just one more sign that Toyota is on its last leg and is about to "pull a GM" if nobody minds me using that terminology. Not disrespecting the General of course. Now if only I could get the average consumer to ignore the stereotype of Japanese superiority and compare the cars for what they are.

Bumble Bee '77 · 09-18-2008, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Oh boo hoo toyota. Yeah, sucks that the plug-in prius's electric-only range is a measly 8 miles.

^^^ Better than anything crapyota can pull out of its toilet of a design department.

SUCK IT, PRIUS.

That and don't forget to factor in the fact that the first plug in prius caught fire and exploded...

SS4EVER · 09-18-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TFord

or whining that they dont sell our cars there!

Exactly. Japan taxes the crap, and don't get me started on the tariffs that they levy on foreign cars there....

storm79 · 09-18-2008, 11:31 PM

Toyota can .............

they r just mad cuz they know that the Volt will just kill the Prius..

honestly if i knew who this guy was from Toyota that went to Congress and tried getting Congress not to pass this bill i would probably just go up 2 him and punch him in his face....

haha sorry if i sound crazy but this pisses me off for some reason...

Toyota needs to get their noses out of other peoples business...they should stop worrying about others and start making some quality vehicles

BigRigMike · 09-19-2008, 01:04 PM

I would have to say that I am surprised that Toyota is fighting this because I have always read that they are such a green company and they knew that gas prices were going to go up and that is why they offer such fuel efficient cars. And are always at the cutting edge of technology

Since i am new to Camaro5 i will say that was sarcastic.

Just shows that Toyota does not have anything in the pipeline with a battery that is close to 6Kw then.

It is surprising that it is just Toyota speaking out against this because I didn't think that any other company had plans for a car with a battery that big.

MCPOAJ · 09-19-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by storm79

Toyota can .............

they r just mad cuz they know that the Volt will just kill the Prius..

honestly if i knew who this guy was from Toyota that went to Congress and tried getting Congress not to pass this bill i would probably just go up 2 him and punch him in his face....

haha sorry if i sound crazy but this pisses me off for some reason...

Toyota needs to get their noses out of other peoples business...they should stop worrying about others and start making some quality vehicles

i'm right there with you i wanna beat the piss outta this guy

*The_Blur* · 09-19-2008, 01:50 PM

I just realized that Toyota had a "scandal" a while ago because Japanese government money helped to develop the Prius. I think this move may represent some serious hypocrisy.

Dan · 09-19-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRigMike

I would have to say that I am surprised that Toyota is fighting this because I have always read that they are such a green company and they knew that gas prices were going to go up and that is why they offer such fuel efficient cars. And are always at the cutting edge of technology

Since i am new to Camaro5 i will say that was sarcastic.

Just shows that Toyota does not have anything in the pipeline with a battery that is close to 6Kw then.

It is surprising that it is just Toyota speaking out against this because I didn't think that any other company had plans for a car with a battery that big.

Green company my ass. They are green because they are making money being green. If it wasn't for that they wouldn't give a shit.

09-17-2008, 03:22 PM	#15
SS4EVER Camaro Convert... Drives: 2006 Cobalt SS Supercharged Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Metro Detroit, Mi Posts: 595 View My Garage	That's bullsht... I'm almost positive I read somewhere that the Japanese government has funded a lot of the research that Toyota has done in alternative energy. You don't see GM crying about it. This is America for Christ's sake... C'mon... Fck Toyota. __________________ 4 life! Currently Driving: 2006 Cobalt SS Supercharged

09-17-2008, 09:07 PM	#17
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	I'll won't bother attacking Toyota, everybody else seems to have done that already and I have nothing to add. Sooooo . . . anybody else notice that the credits could reach $7500? That puts the cost of the Volt in the area of $30k, maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less. But that brings it back down to a price where people will be able to save money by owning the car vs most alternatives. I think the Prius has a ~$3000 rebate with it. The other interesting thing is that it is proposed for cars that have 6kWh (or more) batteries, which means ~15 mi electric range and reduced cost compared to the Volt. Thats important because the Volt might be able to cheat the EPA test and not use any fuel. If it doesen't use any fuel, it can't be rated for fuel economy which means it can't help GM's CAFE numbers which would really suck. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

09-17-2008, 11:46 PM	#19
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09-18-2008, 11:31 PM	#24
storm79 Drives: 2007 GMC Sierra Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middle of nowhere Posts: 281	Toyota can ............. they r just mad cuz they know that the Volt will just kill the Prius.. honestly if i knew who this guy was from Toyota that went to Congress and tried getting Congress not to pass this bill i would probably just go up 2 him and punch him in his face.... haha sorry if i sound crazy but this pisses me off for some reason... Toyota needs to get their noses out of other peoples business...they should stop worrying about others and start making some quality vehicles __________________ Last edited by GTAHVIT; 09-19-2008 at 07:52 AM. Reason: A little too much.

09-19-2008, 01:50 PM	#27
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09-17-2008, 06:30 PM	#16
camaro&T/A Drives: '82 Z28 400SB Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Plover WI Posts: 172	HEY TOYOTA: :middlefinger: :middlefinger: :middlefinger: :middlefinger: :flag2: :flag2: :flag2: :flag2: :flag2: :flag2: :flag2: :flag2:

09-18-2008, 12:40 AM	#21
BowtieGuy Enlightened Drives: Nothing Currently Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,285	Just one more sign that Toyota is on its last leg and is about to "pull a GM" if nobody minds me using that terminology. Not disrespecting the General of course. Now if only I could get the average consumer to ignore the stereotype of Japanese superiority and compare the cars for what they are.

09-19-2008, 01:04 PM	#25
BigRigMike Drives: 2010 Ford Fusion Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: York, PA Posts: 374 View My Garage	I would have to say that I am surprised that Toyota is fighting this because I have always read that they are such a green company and they knew that gas prices were going to go up and that is why they offer such fuel efficient cars. And are always at the cutting edge of technology Since i am new to Camaro5 i will say that was sarcastic. Just shows that Toyota does not have anything in the pipeline with a battery that is close to 6Kw then. It is surprising that it is just Toyota speaking out against this because I didn't think that any other company had plans for a car with a battery that big.

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