Wow the 335i is fast!

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by drivingincamaro

Kevin have you even posted in the 2010 camaro section yet?

I cant post 400+ times in general/other car threads....too little threads..

stop hating....I am just having some good old fashion convo.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

And the Camaro doesn't cost $56 thousand, etc, etc...you take the difference and invest a fraction of it into the Camaro, or you could make a driver mod, mix in unofficial/not final Camaro numbers (and I'm assuming best-case M3 numbers) -- and you'll have a destroyed M3 left on the track.

HAD to put it out there since you said that...

I'd love to see the match up, and I will probably if my buddy actually gets the M3 he wants. I'm very confident in the Camaro dominating.

That is not to say that the BMW is a poorly built car. It is really an amazing machine—one that I would also drive with pride.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

yea in a straight line but not on the track...the m3 is built to dominate the track.

And the Camaro is one of the stiffest, most 'solid' vehicles GM has built TO DATE. It has virtually brand-new, world-class suspension system and the highest-tier suspension setting they offer(I believe). As evidenced by the recent reviews, the car handles it's weight remarkably. It's no LeMans racer, but there is nothing to be lost at the track for the Camaro.

It's too close between the two now to say that a driver mod couldn't make a winning difference. But like I said - spend $5-$10 grand in suspension-tuning and minor engine upgrades - and I'll bet my life-savings the M3 is toast.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

And the Camaro is one of the stiffest, most 'solid' vehicles GM has built TO DATE. It has virtually brand-new, world-class suspension system and the highest-tier suspension setting they offer(I believe). As evidenced by the recent reviews, the car handles it's weight remarkably. It's no LeMans racer, but there is nothing to be lost at the track for the Camaro.

It's too close between the two now to say that a driver mod couldn't make a winning difference. But like I said - spend $5-$10 grand in suspension-tuning and minor engine upgrades - and I'll bet my life-savings the M3 is toast.

GET READY TO "SHOW ME DA MONEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!"

lol jk

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

GET READY TO "SHOW ME DA MONEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!"

lol jk

Dont be blinded by the letter 'M'


And ps. the M3 does 0-60 ( with a manual, AKA 90% of all M3's) in 4.7


what did you say the maro did it in again?

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Congoman775

Dont be blinded by the letter 'M'


And ps. the M3 does 0-60 ( with a manual, AKA 90% of all M3's) in 4.7


what did you say the maro did it in again?

it does it in 4.6

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

it does it in 4.6

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Congoman775

?


either way it is rediculous to compare the 2.

[KatarHol]

Really?? Seriously? You guys are arguing 4.6 seconds vs 4.7. Who could even tell the difference,really,4.6 vs 4.7 is a wash,there is basically no difference. Hell,4.6 vs 5.0 is a wash,it's not worth arguing,you'd have to be Daredevil to tell the difference. The M3 is a specialized car for a small amount of people,it's a fine-tuned car built for one thing,and that's total performance. The Supra and Camaro had and have to be alot more things to alot more people than the M division cares to be. In short,compromised. The M3 is about as far from compromised as you could get.
Also,all this mess about investing money into your Camaro to make it a M3 killer is irrelevent as well,you spend 50K on a Camaro or Mustang and what do you have? A Camaro or Mustang. It's not a Corvette,it's not a 911,and it's not a M3. There's more to those cars than cold,dead numbers and no amount of amateur tinkering with your 30K pony car will never make up that difference.

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

?


either way it is rediculous to compare the 2.

it is rediculous to compare the two because you cant get an M3 for less than 60k!!!

there is one word that comes to mind when the M3 has the missfortune of being placed in the same comparison with a Camaro. embarrassing.

The camaro runs with the M3 just fine on ANYTHING way before you being to spend that 30 THOUSAND DOLLARS you saved by buying the Chevy in the first place.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Congoman775

it is rediculous to compare the two because you cant get an M3 for less than 60k!!!

there is one word that comes to mind when the M3 has the missfortune of being placed in the same comparison with a Camaro. embarrassing.

The camaro runs with the M3 just fine on ANYTHING way before you being to spend that 30 THOUSAND DOLLARS you saved by buying the Chevy in the first place.

Your in denial. There is a reason why it is priced at 50+ because it is the overall package. IT beats the camaro in 0-60 , twisties, and every other category but looks(which is different with everyone). The embarrassment is you even trying to compare the camaro to the m3. Just because the camaro will be within .4 of the m3s 0-60 doesnt mean the m3 is an embarrassment. The embarrassment is deluded camaro fans that swear by IRS and that with 20k in mods it will own the m3 on the track. Plain and simple it won't. IMO. I guess since my challenger will have IRS it will be an amazing track car. All the IRS does is make our straight line cars not spin out everytime we take a turn on the track lol. It isnt going to pave the way for a track car IMO.

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

Your in denial. There is a reason why it is priced at 50+ because it is the overall package. IT beats the camaro in 0-60 , twisties, and every other category but looks(which is different with everyone). The embarrassment is you even trying to compare the camaro to the m3. Just because the camaro will be within .4 of the m3s 0-60 doesnt mean the m3 is an embarrassment. The embarrassment is deluded camaro fans that swear by IRS and that with 20k in mods it will own the m3 on the track. Plain and simple it won't. IMO. I guess since my challenger will have IRS it will be an amazing track car. All the IRS does is make our straight line cars not spin out everytime we take a turn on the track lol. It isnt going to pave the way for a track car IMO.

The Camaro had a similiar lap time on the 'Ring as a Porsche Cayman S. Which was within 7 seconds of the M3. dont waste my time. The IRS isnt the only reason the Camaro is a great track car. its the whole package. yes your Chally has IRS, but thats a PERFECT example of a big, bulky, unathletic car that has some nice toys to play with, but nothing substantial.

IRS, 425 hp, thats good fun and all, but its built on a sedan platform and weighs more than 4100lbs. not exactly great track material.


within .4 seconds? hahaha. the M3 is SLOWER to 60, not .4 faster.


The Camaro does 0-60 in 4.6-4.8, and likely faster by the time it is released. the M3 does it 4.7-5.3


again... dont waste my time. the people that tell you they record 4.1 0-60 times with an M3 are wasting your time.

[TAG UR IT]

I honestly don't have the experience or knowledge on the M series Beamers. But, I will say this....

There is no reason arguing back and forth about which will be better when talking about .1 tenth of a second in 0-60 times. Really now...apparently, the Beamer handles fairly well on the track. GM is shooting for gold with the Camaro and with the IRS and advancements in technology, it will compare to the handling (((( IMO )))) .

If it doesn't, one must agree.....30K vs.55K (or whatever the M5 is) ....you are going to have some cash left over buying the Camaro. If it doesn't compare in the twisties, a few bucks (FOR SURE not as much as an M5 would cost) and you WILL take the M5.

I'll have to agree w/ Dragon on this one. But, disagreement makes for good discussion. All I ask is that we be nice in the discussion. Let's not call people wrong...say their thought process is wrong, etc. Just disagree respectfully so we can discuss and move along.

Thanks guys.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Congoman775

The Camaro had a similiar lap time on the 'Ring as a Porsche Cayman S. Which was within 7 seconds of the M3. dont waste my time. The IRS isnt the only reason the Camaro is a great track car. its the whole package. yes your Chally has IRS, but thats a PERFECT example of a big, bulky, unathletic car that has some nice toys to play with, but nothing substantial.

IRS, 425 hp, thats good fun and all, but its built on a sedan platform and weighs more than 4100lbs. not exactly great track material.


within .4 seconds? hahaha. the M3 is SLOWER to 60, not .4 faster.


The Camaro does 0-60 in 4.6-4.8, and likely faster by the time it is released. the M3 does it 4.7-5.3


again... dont waste my time. the people that tell you they record 4.1 0-60 times with an M3 are wasting your time.

yea your camaro is a carbon copy of the challenger..

same hp
big and fat
and has IRS

they will be pretty much identical on the track.

Let me know when you see a m3 doing 5 sec 0-60.

dream on. This discussion isnt worth my time. Lets agree to disagree