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Old 08-27-2008, 11:16 PM   #169
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Ohhhh, there's an official online petition!1!!!111!
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Old 08-28-2008, 12:10 AM   #170
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what bothers me is people saying ..."don't bring it back its dead"

if gm decides that its not econmically viable...and it will lose money...i can respect that...

but if elitists are just saying it should be dead just for the hell of it that bothers me

i don't see why in 4 or 5 yrs if the camaro is successful why it isn't viable to just throw a concept out there and gauge a reaction...although it really depends only if they can hit a homerun with it like they did with the design of the camaro

obviously you can't come out with it now and undermine the camaro at this point when we don't know if the market will support a mustang,camaro and challenger...back in the 90's it was just mustang and camaro/firebird in the pony segment

but if the market is showing growth in a few years in this area i can't see why at least a concept wouldn't be viable
I'm opposed for two reasons: The main is the money reason. As it is, GM has serious cash issues. Their marketing budget has been hammered. Already they have to spend twice as much to market sister cars that compete against each other, whereas they could achieve the same or better total sales if they had one unique model to focus marketing on. A Trans-Am will only dilute the Camaro's marketing dollars, and there is no more cash for additional budgets. As a result, both would stand a far greater chance of failing.

Secondly, having two otherwise identical cars with different styling just seems a bit vain. I mean, GM has to convince consumers that they've changed and the products are high quality now. They need to keep improving quality to avoid returning to the bad old days and keep innovating to stay compelling. Spending the effort to rebadge and restyle a clone car gives off the (probably accurate) impression that GM is not focused on quality or innovation, but instead wrapping the same product in different clothes and "trying to fool" the consumer.

I actually think the best argument against the Trans-Am was made by somebody who was trying to argue for it: "It worked in the 70s and 80s". That should tell you enough right there.
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Old 08-31-2008, 11:48 PM   #171
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This guy wanted one so badly he built one himself.



For those interested, kevinmorgandesigns.com has info.
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Old 09-01-2008, 10:46 AM   #172
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You mean he photoshopped one himself. Already been posted up above somewhere, it's just CGI.
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Old 09-01-2008, 02:48 PM   #173
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I think there would have to be a major styling difference betwen the T/A and the Camaro, similar to what GM did with the Soltice and Sky. Make the T/A more aero dynamic a little less square and rigid, so that it is somewhat different, instead of just a Camaro with a nose job.
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Old 09-01-2008, 03:50 PM   #174
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Need to have Pop Up headlights if it's Pontiac F5. Pop up HEI's Or some kind of smoked cover that retracts like eyelids.
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:34 PM   #175
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I hope pontiac get's it's own coupe based off the coupe 60. A Camaro knockoff would be stupid.
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:57 AM   #176
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GM has axed the Kappa II platform so models like the Sky, Soltice, and Astra are history.
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Old 09-03-2008, 12:09 PM   #177
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The Astra isn't on Kappa. It's FWD.
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Old 09-03-2008, 01:26 PM   #178
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Astra sits on the same platform as the Cobalt, right? Delta - I think it's called?
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Actually, I think, but I might be wrong, that the current Astra is on a different platform than the current Cobalt. I think the next generation compact cars will all merge onto Delta. (or is it Delta 2?)
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OK - you're betting on the come that GM keeps the Pontiac moniker through the restructuring. It wouldn't surprise me if Pontiac and Buick disappear ala Oldsmobile to keep the company afloat. You can beef up the performance lines of Chevrolet with the Pontiacs and have a new low-end starter line with the Buicks under Cadillac.

Just some random thinking out loud....
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Old 04-09-2009, 05:31 PM   #181
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OMG, those firebird pics are sick hot.....
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Old 04-09-2009, 05:50 PM   #182
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wow, how about resurecting some bad days lol

Yes the Pontiac label will be maintained... it will be a special order label from GMC/Caddy dealers.

And yes the Firebird would be WELCOMED... god i love that car.
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