Water on the Moon

[MrIcky]

Originally Posted by Russo

Manifest Destiny was used to annex the Republic of Texas, then later incorporated the idea which the US should control the North American continent from ocean to ocean... some people believe that it also includes Mexico and Canada... thats where it ends... Hawaii was annexed by the same emotional debate in 1898.. i'd like to see the US expand just like most others, but there should be limits on how far our government goes to support these projects...

OK, but where in the constitution does it state that the government can't pay for exploration?

[Russo]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

OK, but where in the constitution does it state that the government can't pay for exploration?

i think there are 2 ways you can look at it... the first way is that: Does the government have the power to pay for exploration? while we did pay for Lewis and Clark's discovery of the West, it doesn't make it right.. the other way you can look at it is: Does our goverment have a right to finance NASA as a company... NASA is not designed like a private company in that it provides a good or service that people need/want/desire, it instead is designed to strictly spend money without a profit... with that being said, no private company could ever establish a foothold in space...

the next question would probably be: What kind of economic impact does NASA provide our country?
the budget for 2010 is proposed at $18.7 billion, that may seem like a small number compared to the entire nations budget, however $18.7 billion could almost repair our wetlands here in LA...

i don't have a problem with NASA, it's just we cannot continue to support our world empire, bail out companies, fund 2 wars, and prop up wall street...

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by PQ

Please, someone, tell me how many lives have been saved by NASA?

One of the medical inventions came through space. There is such a thing as space electronics, that can only be achieved in a zero gravity. These electronics have been used for implantable heart defibrillators.

How about another biggie... Digital Imaging .. AKA ... MRI, CAT Scan, Ultrasound all these came from space research ....

So I'd say millions of lives have been saved with just what I've mentioned ..... And that doesn't include all the medical laser stuff that comes from the same programs .....


The thing about the water, is the fact that our moon will be capable of supporting life ....

[Brokinarrow]

Big NASA project = lots of jobs, new technologies. Another point: Earth is home to roughly 6 billion humans, a number growing by about 100 million each year. Its going to get crowded (barring some huge global disaster, which is just another reason to colonize other planets), so where are we going to fit everyone? Don't believe me? Go take a look at Japan or China, see how crowded things are there. I was stationed in Okinawa for 2 years, it was a year and a half before I came back stateside for leave, and everything back in the US seemed HUUUUUGE and spread out!

Excuse the rambling, but my point is: Perfecting space flight and colonizing the moon/mars/whatever else we can find is humanity's only hope for long term survival. Most people are too short sighted these days to give a crap (If its not going to benefit ME in MY lifetime, why do I care?) Its that attitude that will stifle scientific breakthroughs.

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by Russo

i think there are 2 ways you can look at it... the first way is that: Does the government have the power to pay for exploration? while we did pay for Lewis and Clark's discovery of the West, it doesn't make it right.. the other way you can look at it is: Does our goverment have a right to finance NASA as a company... NASA is not designed like a private company in that it provides a good or service that people need/want/desire, it instead is designed to strictly spend money without a profit... with that being said, no private company could ever establish a foothold in space Guess that's why we have a bunch of private sector space companies developing their own spacecraft now, huh? ...

the next question would probably be: What kind of economic impact does NASA provide our country?
the budget for 2010 is proposed at $18.7 billion, that may seem like a small number compared to the entire nations budget, however $18.7 billion could almost repair our wetlands here in LA...

i don't have a problem with NASA, it's just we cannot continue to support our world empire, bail out companies, fund 2 wars, and prop up wall street...This I agree with, we need to pull our concerns back here where they belong and give NASA a bigger budget to do things that actually matter for the long term.

This is getting dangerously close to becoming a political discussion though...

[2ndgenz28]

There is already a base on the moon, you just can’t see it from earth.
We have known about it since the first journey there.

Its why we went first, to claim ownership.

Some of it is dodododo but the reflections in the helmet which are real NASA pic [before JPL started to edit them] are 100% unexplainable if the moon is a baren rock an no one was there but us.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/mphotos.html



And give the site lots of credit as they knew water was on Mars 30 years before NASA would “admit it”.

The stuff on “Hyperdimensional Physics” will tickle the fancy of the Physics lovers. Great read even if some of it is hard to grasp.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/physics.html
http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28

There is already a base on the moon, you just can’t see it from earth.
We have known about it since the first journey there.

Its why we went first, to claim ownership.

Some of it is dodododo but the reflections in the helmet which are real NASA pic [before JPL started to edit them] are 100% unexplainable if the moon is a baren rock an no one was there but us.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/mphotos.html



And give the site lots of credit as they knew water was on Mars 30 years before NASA would “admit it”.

The stuff on “Hyperdimensional Physics” will tickle the fancy of the Physics lovers. Great read even if some of it is hard to grasp.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/physics.html
http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html

..... you're joking, right? Sarcasm is hard to detect in text...

[mickss]

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

This is getting dangerously close to becoming a political discussion though...

No, I think you`re OK, political discussion to me are alright, it`s the political arguments that are problematic. Some people seem to think when a subject get close to being political they see an opening and it`s their opportunity to throw a shot at which ever political party they disagree with.

[ShnOmac]

Wow this has been a interesting 4 pages to read..... I think this post really sums this thread up

Originally Posted by MrIcky

It's one of those arguments that's fairly useless as I know I'll never convince those against NASA and those against NASA will never convince me.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28

There is already a base on the moon, you just can’t see it from earth.
We have known about it since the first journey there.

Its why we went first, to claim ownership.

Some of it is dodododo but the reflections in the helmet which are real NASA pic [before JPL started to edit them] are 100% unexplainable if the moon is a baren rock an no one was there but us.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/mphotos.html



And give the site lots of credit as they knew water was on Mars 30 years before NASA would “admit it”.

The stuff on “Hyperdimensional Physics” will tickle the fancy of the Physics lovers. Great read even if some of it is hard to grasp.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/physics.html
http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html

:bangdesk:

[FarmallsForever]

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

..... you're joking, right? Sarcasm is hard to detect in text...

I am wondering that too

A bit about the author for the site of:

http://www.enterprisemission.com


The site authors bio:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Hoagland

I am all for space exploration and going to the moon, but that guy seems to be a bit out of the ballpark

Of course once you start to think like that, you have to wonder how far does the rabbit hole actually go.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by FarmallsForever

I am wondering that too

A bit about the author for the site of:

http://www.enterprisemission.com


The site authors bio:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Hoagland

I am all for space exploration and going to the moon, but that guy seems to be a bit out of the ballpark

Of course once you start to think like that, you have to wonder how far does the rabbit hole actually go.

About half way down.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

One of the medical inventions came through space. There is such a thing as space electronics, that can only be achieved in a zero gravity. These electronics have been used for implantable heart defibrillators.

How about another biggie... Digital Imaging .. AKA ... MRI, CAT Scan, Ultrasound all these came from space research ....

So I'd say millions of lives have been saved with just what I've mentioned ..... And that doesn't include all the medical laser stuff that comes from the same programs .....


The thing about the water, is the fact that our moon will be capable of supporting life ....

Right, because none of that would have ever been imagined otherwise?

How do you know that there wouldn't have been better stuff had we not just leaned on NASA and been satisfied with it?

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

This is getting dangerously close to becoming a political discussion though...

Or religious.

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

Wow this has been a interesting 4 pages to read..... I think this post really sums this thread up

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by PQ

Right, because none of that would have ever been imagined otherwise?

How do you know that there wouldn't have been better stuff had we not just leaned on NASA and been satisfied with it?

Because there is already so much BS in this thread, let's conduct it like a court room.


Objection, Speculation!


Objection Sustained.................... PQ find a new argument.