Update: Chrysler Buisness plan reveals upcoming Challenger Refresh for 2011

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Zeus

I gotcha

oh and as for the price of the aluminum engine...probably expensive as hell. mopar aftermarket stuff is always more expensive than the other 2 brands.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

oh and as for the price of the aluminum engine...probably expensive as hell. mopar aftermarket stuff is always more expensive than the other 2 brands.

I figured.... Be funny to drop an LSX motor in there..... lol

[Ambitious09]

I see Challengers on the lots all the time here, though not at dodge. Saw three on a ford lot, two on toyota, and five on a GM

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Ambitious09

I see Challengers on the lots all the time here, though not at dodge. Saw three on a ford lot, two on toyota, and five on a GM

i have seen camaros on used car lots down here as well.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by Zeus

I'm saying the Challenger SE starts at 22k, and weighs 3700lbs


I bet you could buy one, do an engine swap, throw on an aftermarket suspension, brakes, tranny, swap out the heavy ass seats to counter the engine weight, and end up with a 425hp Challenger which weighs 3700lbs.... for no more than the 45k Challenger SRT.


Not a bad deal if it could be done, seeing as the car would be 500lbs lighter and no more expensive than an SRT with the same power...

Yes, you could do this... but no, it wouldn't weigh 3700 pounds anymore. Most of the reason the SRT8 weighs 500 pounds more than the V6 is because it has a heavier tranny, beefier suspension, and heavier brakes - not to mention the added few hundred pounds for the engine. Just "upgrading" the V6 would NOT in any way keep the car weight anywhere near 3700 pounds. You'd end up north of 4000 for sure - how far north depends on how much you do in terms of suspesion/brakes/etc.
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[MrIcky]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

The only thing I have heard...

http://www.autotropolis.com/auto-ind...roduction.html

Which would be smart. Focus on getting a competitive lineup out there that can compete with GM, Ford, and toyota and then build a high-performance car.

Ya this is what I heard too, and the Viper is scrubbed on the Chrysler 5 year plan too which was just released a week ago. Shows it going through 2010 then dropping.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

Ya this is what I heard too, and the Viper is scrubbed on the Chrysler 5 year plan too which was just released a week ago. Shows it going through 2010 then dropping.

it shows it going through 2010 dropped in 2011 then back in the lineup in 2012

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

it shows it going through 2010 dropped in 2011 then back in the lineup in 2012

It doesn't say that at all. It says "Under consideration" after 2012, and if Chrysler has any idea what they're doing, they won't bring it back until they're back on their feet.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

It doesn't say that at all. It says "Under consideration" after 2012, and if Chrysler has any idea what they're doing, they won't bring it back until they're back on their feet.

no it doesnt but im gonna try and find the quote from fiat saying that they arent scrapping the viper.

[Coldpants]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

OMG! Dodge has produced TWO prestigious products in the last 50 years? This is too much, they are the greatest automaker in the world, I would much rather have a dodge than a cadillac, bmw, mercedes, audi, lexus sports car that is more sporty, better built, and more prestigious
/sarcasm

cadillac -> monocle
BMW -> no monocle
Mercedes -> some monocle friendly
Audi -> No monocle
Lexus -> anti monocle, in fact mugs the owners of monocles
Do you even know what a monocle is?

[Coldpants]

Originally Posted by Inferno Orange 2SS-RS

Thought it was the refreshed 2010 Challenger, then I read the caption.

Thats a great car to die in.

[Coldpants]

[QUOTE

If you're going to seriously argue that it would cost that much then you are going to have to tell me why. I worked in the industry for some time and I already told you why, in my experience, the price wouldn't need to be anything like that high. If you think otherwise make your case.



I think the problem here is that you keep looking at things from the perspective of a strict, performance enthusiast and most consumers cannot be described as such. First, whatever the SHO moniker may lead us to initially think of the car the reality is that the Taurus SHO absolutely isn't intended to be a SRT8 style performance vehicle, it's more appropriately described as a very quick near luxury car. And given the sales of the line thus far, the market at large seems to be embracing that strategy.

As for your assertion that the car will fail because it is more expensive, the exact opposite seems to be the case. The Taurus lineup, including the SHO, appears to be succeeding because it is by far the cheapest large car to offer such a high level of content. Genesis probably comes closest to offering as much for as little, but to get all the tech goodies the Taurus SHO offers standard you have to drop 41k on a Genesis which is a couple grand more than the Taurus SHO starts at, and even then you still wont have awd which matters if this is going to be your daily ride and you live North of the Mason Dixon line.

Put plainly, Taurus is doing well because it offers a lot of goodies for the price. A lot of folks on the net keep arguing that the Taurus can't possibly succeed because it isn't fast enough and/or doesn't handle well enough, but by all appearances the buying public finds the car more than fast enough (I am surprised that so many find the performance lacking, mid 13's are easily going to be good enough for 99 percent of buyers in this segment and the S Class has traditionally outsold the 7-Series for a reason....handling doesn't need to be spectacular since people in this class typically aren't looking for that) and is flocking to the SHO where they left the G8 GT and GXP for dead. Why? Because Taurus offers the luxury and tech goodies folks who actually buy cars in this segment apparently want where G8 only offered size and speed.[/QUOTE]

And its monocle friendly.

[Coldpants]

returnofccSo you think that once a car is prestigious, it is always prestigious, even 50 years later?

Mmmmmm yea... Are you not gonna say that because the Rolls Royce Silver Ghost is over 100year old it is not longer prestigious?

Prestigious
1. indicative of or conferring prestige: the most prestigious address in town.
2. having a high reputation; honored; esteemed: a prestigious author.
Couldn't find a definition that imposed a time limit.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Coldpants

Mmmmmm yea... Are you not gonna say that because the Rolls Royce Silver Ghost is over 100year old it is not longer prestigious?

Prestigious
1. indicative of or conferring prestige: the most prestigious address in town.
2. having a high reputation; honored; esteemed: a prestigious author.
Couldn't find a definition that imposed a time limit.

Shhhh. I didn't respond because sometimes it's better to let them go on thinking they're right, only to be laughed at one day when he finds out he is totally wrong.