Update: Chrysler Buisness plan reveals upcoming Challenger Refresh for 2011

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by syr74

Who said anything about a car the Vette outperforms? You're too hung up on the existing SRT8 Challenger, that isn't the car that I was addressing. I said that they should make the upcoming 6.4L SRT V8 engine standard....and right now that looks to be a nearly 500hp mill...and throw the Porsche PDK, improved suspension, and plusher interior in and price it at GT500/Corvette money looking to sell Corvette volume which frankly isn't too far off of what we have now.

Considering the fact that the GT500 already plays in that price range with somewhat simpler goodies and a less plush interior there is no reason to think such a setup wouldn't work. As for the argument that the problem with the Challenger is that it is too expensive already I would tend to agree, it is too expensive to compete directly with Mustang and Camaro. But then, my entire argument is that trying to make a large car like the Challenger compete with Mustang and Camaro was a no win situation from the outset. Challenger needs a different niche if it is to survive.



If you're going to seriously argue that it would cost that much then you are going to have to tell me why. I worked in the industry for some time and I already told you why, in my experience, the price wouldn't need to be anything like that high. If you think otherwise make your case.



I think the problem here is that you keep looking at things from the perspective of a strict, performance enthusiast and most consumers cannot be described as such. First, whatever the SHO moniker may lead us to initially think of the car the reality is that the Taurus SHO absolutely isn't intended to be a SRT8 style performance vehicle, it's more appropriately described as a very quick near luxury car. And given the sales of the line thus far, the market at large seems to be embracing that strategy.

As for your assertion that the car will fail because it is more expensive, the exact opposite seems to be the case. The Taurus lineup, including the SHO, appears to be succeeding because it is by far the cheapest large car to offer such a high level of content. Genesis probably comes closest to offering as much for as little, but to get all the tech goodies the Taurus SHO offers standard you have to drop 41k on a Genesis which is a couple grand more than the Taurus SHO starts at, and even then you still wont have awd which matters if this is going to be your daily ride and you live North of the Mason Dixon line.

Put plainly, Taurus is doing well because it offers a lot of goodies for the price. A lot of folks on the net keep arguing that the Taurus can't possibly succeed because it isn't fast enough and/or doesn't handle well enough, but by all appearances the buying public finds the car more than fast enough (I am surprised that so many find the performance lacking, mid 13's are easily going to be good enough for 99 percent of buyers in this segment and the S Class has traditionally outsold the 7-Series for a reason....handling doesn't need to be spectacular since people in this class typically aren't looking for that) and is flocking to the SHO where they left the G8 GT and GXP for dead. Why? Because Taurus offers the luxury and tech goodies folks who actually buy cars in this segment apparently want where G8 only offered size and speed.

I am going to go with Styling as well. The G8 GXP was an amazing for the money car, but damn its ugly.

[Road_Warrior85]

maybe the refresh for the challenger will be an "original" interior instead of the blah blah thats in it now

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior85

maybe the refresh for the challenger will be an "original" interior instead of the blah blah thats in it now

the refresh will have a 3 spoke true sport/muscle steering wheel. everything else is good imo.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

OMG! Dodge has produced TWO prestigious products in the last 50 years? This is too much, they are the greatest automaker in the world, I would much rather have a dodge than a cadillac, bmw, mercedes, audi, lexus sports car that is more sporty, better built, and more prestigious
/sarcasm

the challenger is a muscle car....and i would never buy a piece of crap lexus aka toyota even if they paid me. and you mentioned mercedes....almost all chrysler cars are mercedes based lol. just the styling on them are way better

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

I think you need one of these

Prestige is based only in the present?

Originally Posted by returnofcc

Then maybe from next time you should only write about things that are relevant to the topic at hand

You call him out on saying Dodge is prestigious, and when he proves you the company is important to the history of automobiles, you say to stay on the original topic? Wow.

[returnofcc]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Prestige is based only in the present?
So you think that once a car is prestigious, it is always prestigious, even 50 years later?


You call him out on saying Dodge is prestigious, and when he proves you the company is important to the history of automobiles, you say to stay on the original topic? Wow.
What? He proved that Dodge is important to the history of automobiles? Please direct me to the post that proved this?

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

Well yes it's still prestigious. The Charger was THE ICONIC MUSCLE CAR. If you mention a muscle car out on the streets, 9 out of 10 of them would think of the Charger. The Viper was ahead of the Corvette until the release of the ZR1. They had the first diesel engines installed in them, and are the longest lasting diesels on the road. Obviously you don't like anything domestic. Why are you even here?

[Tactical Z]

I think i'll stick with my love.

2008 Charger SRT8's

[cHaotix]

I think both the Challenger and Viper need an interior refresh. They look so damn boring on the inside. Hell, might as well throw the Corvette up there too.

[MrIcky]

Well they're going to refresh the Viper by not making them anymore. Does that count?

[cHaotix]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

Well they're going to refresh the Viper by not making them anymore. Does that count?

I wish. :(

[Kyle2k]

God I love threads that are focused on the other auto manufacturers, it's like a new member meet and greet every time, you see members that hardly ever post in the other sections.

I think we need some champagne and cheese up in here!?

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

Well they're going to refresh the Viper by not making them anymore. Does that count?

lol they arent making it for 1 year. big woop....the viper is still on top and isnt going anywhere imo

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Well yes it's still prestigious. The Charger was THE ICONIC MUSCLE CAR. If you mention a muscle car out on the streets, 9 out of 10 of them would think of the Charger. The Viper was ahead of the Corvette until the release of the ZR1. They had the first diesel engines installed in them, and are the longest lasting diesels on the road. Obviously you don't like anything domestic. Why are you even here?

viper is still on top with the ACR....zr1 in a close second.