GM approves a new Camaro

[piening2150]

Originally Posted by MisterMarauder

The Lansing Grand River Assembly plant only assembles passenger cars though. No CUVs/SUVs.

I don't think it's any coincidence that the Camaro is getting revived when the CT4 goes away. They'll be utilizing the same assembly line.

They were already utilizing the same assembly line, and at the time building CT5, CT4, and Camaro concurrently. There's no reason logistically for CT4 to go away so Camaro can come back. CT4 is going away because they didn't sell well enough. Only about 6k CT4 vs 15k CT5 this last year (and 13k Camaros in '24). They are far under their total capacity (200-250k units/year) and only running 1 shift currently I believe.

LGR only assembles cars currently. Prior to '15 they only assembled Cadillacs. A $1.25 billion retooling budget for '27+ means they could do any number of things there.

[MisterMarauder]

Originally Posted by piening2150

They were already utilizing the same assembly line, and at the time building CT5, CT4, and Camaro concurrently. There's no reason logistically for CT4 to go away so Camaro can come back. CT4 is going away because they didn't sell well enough. Only about 6k CT4 vs 15k CT5 this last year (and 13k Camaros in '24). They are far under their total capacity (200-250k units/year) and only running 1 shift currently I believe.

LGR only assembles cars currently. Prior to '15 they only assembled Cadillacs. A $1.25 billion retooling budget for '27+ means they could any number of things there.

I never said the CT4 is going away because of the Camaro. I'm saying they're utilizing the same assembly line. The current expectation is it'll be produced on the Alpha 2 platform and at the Lansing Grand River plant.

Nothing but passenger cars are built on that platform and at that plant.
Literally nothing else.

[piening2150]

Originally Posted by MisterMarauder

Literally nothing else.

So far.

[MisterMarauder]

Originally Posted by piening2150

So far.

Very additive.

[arpad_m]

We'll see.

The 6th gen was not a success with the broad audience GM are trying to keep, so if they release another "same thing, but more" car that we here all want, failure (in their books) is guaranteed.

My hope is that first of all, there will actually be a Camaro and this isn't fake news, and second, they will fix the most frequent complaints (trunk opening, beltline/visibility, rear access/headroom, interior storage) while keeping everything we love about our 6th gen.

[MisterMarauder]

With Al Oppeheiser not at the wheel, it'll be curious to see what the next gen Camaro holds.

[NYTMARE23]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

We'll see.

The 6th gen was not a success with the broad audience GM are trying to keep, so if they release another "same thing, but more" car that we here all want, failure (in their books) is guaranteed.

My hope is that first of all, there will actually be a Camaro and this isn't fake news, and second, they will fix the most frequent complaints (trunk opening, beltline/visibility, rear access/headroom, interior storage) while keeping everything we love about our 6th gen.

I agree with you, and unfortunately what you're describing in your second paragraph is an excellent description of why they'll make it into a dumb 4 door sedan or crossover of some sort and taint the Camaro name......I'm highly doubtful they're bringing it back as a 2 door V8, RWD coupe...especially since they killed it off as that.....hopefully I'm wrong.

[Commando16SS]

Originally Posted by RIPws6

Two quotes from the article:

“The General has approved a replacement for the Chevy Camaro,”
“the Chevy Camaro replacement we’re discussing here might not be exactly what you would expect.”

To me, a replacement means the Camaro is being replaced by something else to fill the void.
Hopefully,they learned their lesson with the over priced Chevy SS and the should know full well that a rear wheel drive V8 with four doors can fail miserably no matter what it replaces if not done right.
All wheel drive tech is definitely the way to go if they are listening.
This article is encouraging, but has enough gray area to warrant considerable amount of caution before getting your hopes up.

Overpriced Chevy SS??

I could have had a 2016 Chevy SS for $15k less then what I paid for my 2016 Camaro 2SS. The car was an absolute screaming deal. V8 Sedan with Luxury features for $35k-$40k all day long at the time.

I suspect that there will be a 4 Door Camaro option - it makes the most sense given the current Alpha chassis and production capabilities of LGR.

[olrocker]

Since we can’t really trust Mary Barra and her merry band of misfits running this company I’m definitely not holding my breath until I see a two door coupe with a V8 and a three pedal six speed manual transmission.

Anything else and I would have is absolutely zero interest

With Ed Welburn, Scott Settlemire and now Al Oppenheiser retired, the three men most responsible for the revival of Camaro in 2010 and protectors of its 60 year legacy are no longer there to stop any destructive madness from proceeding to production.

Unless Mark Reuss puts his foot down.

We shall see.

[2SS Capt]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

We'll see.

The 6th gen was not a success with the broad audience GM are trying to keep, so if they release another "same thing, but more" car that we here all want, failure (in their books) is guaranteed.

My hope is that first of all, there will actually be a Camaro and this isn't fake news, and second, they will fix the most frequent complaints (trunk opening, beltline/visibility, rear access/headroom, interior storage) while keeping everything we love about our 6th gen.

The beltline/visibility is an absolute "non-issue" in any 2019+ Camaro with the HD Camera Rear View Mirror (3LT, 2SS, ZL1), make that a standard feature and that issue completely disappears...

[Bumbleboy92]

Originally Posted by piening2150

They were already utilizing the same assembly line, and at the time building CT5, CT4, and Camaro concurrently. There's no reason logistically for CT4 to go away so Camaro can come back. CT4 is going away because they didn't sell well enough. Only about 6k CT4 vs 15k CT5 this last year (and 13k Camaros in '24). They are far under their total capacity (200-250k units/year) and only running 1 shift currently I believe.

LGR only assembles cars currently. Prior to '15 they only assembled Cadillacs. A $1.25 billion retooling budget for '27+ means they could do any number of things there.

Don't have cars outside of USA/Canada and not a complete 2020 model year (plus 2024 Camaros cut down production) but here's the rough counts based off which cars got window stickers uploaded.

[CamaroDreams76]

I hope GM is trolling us. We kind of expect something stupid like a 4 door or hybrid/ev crap. So maybe the "not what we expect " may be exactly what we want. A redesigned 7th gen with the Grand Sports new LS6. The Alpha 2 platform is a sedan but the 5th gen was a Zeta platform for a sedan and the 6th gen Alpha platform was the ATS, which was a couple or sedan. Im still optimistic, the 7th gen may be an awesome unit.

[Red Chief]

Originally Posted by bishopts

Never really know. The subaru crosstrek was just an impreza with a lift kit.
Throw a wagon rear and a lift on a ct5 and it will be a crossover.

I completely get why they would do that.

Another low profile coupe means you have to beat what, the Dark Horse Mustang?

All that R&D and engineering money to be .35 seconds faster around a track against a car that is NOT selling well?

The best case scenario is they build a car like the Challenger that didn't get invited to the track head-to-heads but sold well because it looked good and had tons of power.

Meanwhile the market is wide open for a high performance Sport Utility Vehicle that's not built for hauling kids and not priced like a Denali.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by 2SS Capt

The beltline/visibility is an absolute "non-issue" in any 2019+ Camaro with the HD Camera Rear View Mirror (3LT, 2SS, ZL1), make that a standard feature and that issue completely disappears...

I won't argue the side of those who think it's a problem, I'm simply acknowledging their existence. It isn't just visibility out the rear but the "cavern" or "bathtub" feeling they complain about.