Electric Vehicles

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by olrocker

I don’t care what people who don’t know the difference between a cup holder and a valve seat think about cars. Especially during their first 3 years of ownership.

Anyone asks ME what to buy for a daily driver and I would pretty much give them this list and tell them to pick from it. And I would also add Civic and Corolla.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/g64544...nHKj4lrrSHJCbg

I am wary of the Toyota Tundra and Sequoia on that list if you go to a Tundra forums they have threads of their twin turbo V6 engines eating themselves requiring engine replacements. Both the Sequoia and Tundra as well as any other vehicle using this particular engine is affected with that chance even the recall replacement engines are eating themselves. They should have kept the 5.7L V8 around to go with the Twin Turbo V6s. The Corolla and Civic are great choices though for reliable daily A to B cars.

[Martinjlm]

First posts...

Originally Posted by olrocker

You seriously lost me right there and I stopped reading the rest.

I take the advice of mechanics and people who actually REPAIR cars for a living. And good machinists and engine builders.

When you want to know who makes good engines, you ask the people who work on them for a living. Not some magazine where the journalists spend a month in a BRAND NEW CAR and doesn’t know the difference between a rod bearing and a crank bearing.

Hyundai/Kia makes GARBAGE engines today, right now, in 2025. Not just in 1990.

Then posts an article from magazine reviewers who spend a month with BRAND NEW CARS. Got it.

I do respeck the heck out of Autoweek though and recognize that they also do long term reviews, but I could not ignore the irony.

Originally Posted by olrocker

I don’t care what people who don’t know the difference between a cup holder and a valve seat think about cars. Especially during their first 3 years of ownership.

Anyone asks ME what to buy for a daily driver and I would pretty much give them this list and tell them to pick from it. And I would also add Civic and Corolla.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/g64544...nHKj4lrrSHJCbg

[bishopts]

I don't know how many times ive heard "only liberals buy EV cars".

Buying a car isn't a political statement. Like i said before. If it's a better car then people will buy it. So just make them better than any alternative.

I don't know why we don't see diesel electric hybrids. Diesels already get better mileage than gas on their own.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by bishopts

I don't know how many times ive heard "only liberals buy EV cars".

Buying a car isn't a political statement. Like i said before. If it's a better car then people will buy it. So just make them better than any alternative.

I don't know why we don't see diesel electric hybrids. Diesels already get better mileage than gas on their own.

Combination of cost and efficiency gain with a twist of emissions impact. They may eventually come once the costs of electrification in general level out.

Diesels are typically more fuel efficient than gas engines, so there is less efficiency to be gained by hybridization. And since diesels are more costly, you’re adding cost on top of cost for marginal efficiency gains. Diesels also are more problematic when it comes to emissions. It’s lower cost to get a gas engine to near diesel efficiency than it is to get a diesel engine to gasoline levels of emissions. Extended range electric vehicle technology could change that if it becomes popular. The emissions requirements (cost and content) are much simpler when the ICE is only functioning as a generator.

[bishopts]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Combination of cost and efficiency gain with a twist of emissions impact. They may eventually come once the costs of electrification in general level out.

Diesels are typically more fuel efficient than gas engines, so there is less efficiency to be gained by hybridization. And since diesels are more costly, you’re adding cost on top of cost for marginal efficiency gains. Diesels also are more problematic when it comes to emissions. It’s lower cost to get a gas engine to near diesel efficiency than it is to get a diesel engine to gasoline levels of emissions. Extended range electric vehicle technology could change that if it becomes popular. The emissions requirements (cost and content) are much simpler when the ICE is only functioning as a generator.

Yea the DEF system is such a joke. Reducing exhaust temps to bring down nox gasses that were created by the DPF and cat in the first place. Water injection in the place of DEF will do the same thing without having to replace all its own components every year. The only reason they dont want to do that is they can't sell it to you if it's just water.
Air to water EGR coolers too. They are soot traps already. But add slight condensation from differences in temperature and you end up with a gummy black mess that you can replace while all the DEF components are getting replaced.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by bishopts

Yea the DEF system is such a joke.

Yeah don’t get me started on DEF, DPF, and all the other diesel emission equipment mandated since 2008.

You want to talk about avoiding politics. That’s a whole dark road in and of itself.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

First posts...



Then posts an article from magazine reviewers who spend a month with BRAND NEW CARS. Got it.

I do respeck the heck out of Autoweek though and recognize that they also do long term reviews, but I could not ignore the irony.

If you don’t have the common sense to understand they compiled that list based on the historic reliability of those specific cars over many years there’s no use in talking to you about anything.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by olrocker

If you don’t have the common sense to understand they compiled that list based on the historic reliability of those specific cars over many years there’s no use in talking to you about anything.

If only that was all it took.

[Realist]

http://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/15/ford-ev-pullback.html

More hybrid and cheaper EVs sound good to me. Heavy hit to get there.

[Junction65]

Saw the CNBC info as well this morning while waiting for the opening bell.

IMO, hybrids are a win-win being the critical transition piece where battery technology can be advanced while nuclear (SMRs) are brought online (AI power consumption) and the grid is upgraded (decentralized vs centralized).

I will seriously consider a hybrid when replacing my current commuter. Good friend has a '25 Toyota Camry HEV he uses for his side hustle. He's put something like 40K miles on it in 3 months time covering the southern eastern region. Literally a real world endurance test for Toyota.

[bishopts]

Originally Posted by Junction65

Saw the CNBC info as well this morning while waiting for the opening bell.

IMO, hybrids are a win-win being the critical transition piece where battery technology can be advanced while nuclear (SMRs) are brought online (AI power consumption) and the grid is upgraded (decentralized vs centralized).

I will seriously consider a hybrid when replacing my current commuter. Good friend has a '25 Toyota Camry HEV he uses for his side hustle. He's put something like 40K miles on it in 3 months time covering the southern eastern region. Literally a real world endurance test for Toyota.

Hybrids are iffy. Regular hybrids don't get much better milage than gas engines without Hybrid. They assist the gas engine under high demand and sometimes can operate on just electric in parking lot speeds. Adding the cost of battery, charge controllers, and added weight dont justify the existence of them.
Now plug in hybrids are a different story, especially if you do short range commuting. They operate completely on electric until they can't. Then it just flips over to the gas engine.

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by bishopts

Hybrids are iffy. Regular hybrids don't get much better milage than gas engines without Hybrid. They assist the gas engine under high demand and sometimes can operate on just electric in parking lot speeds. Adding the cost of battery, charge controllers, and added weight dont justify the existence of them.
Now plug in hybrids are a different story, especially if you do short range commuting. They operate completely on electric until they can't. Then it just flips over to the gas engine.

Well the main issue is a lot of people like being able to fill it with gas and not worry about it. In the case of the Ford Lightning above it was 80k and the ICE versions were more affordable and more convenient. From what I have gathered especially going through various truck reddits, forums and other social media an EV is just an inconvenience to them and rather have a hybrid you can just fill up with gas. Pickup trucks is one of if not our biggest segment in the US market right now too. I don't think the Auto manufacturers should give up on EVs but getting them in the hands of pickup truck owners is proving to be a hard sell which is why Ram is probably going to push the V6 Pentastar engine generator one after they cancelled the Full EV one when ever they decide to start producing it that is. Seems like a lot of people for right now outside of the truck world are not wanting to jump full on the EV train yet either but will be much easier to attempt to get them into than the pickup truck buyer.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

Well the main issue is a lot of people like being able to fill it with gas and not worry about it. In the case of the Ford Lightning above it was 80k and the ICE versions were more affordable and more convenient. From what I have gathered especially going through various truck reddits, forums and other social media an EV is just an inconvenience to them and rather have a hybrid you can just fill up with gas. Pickup trucks is one of if not our biggest segment in the US market right now too. I don't think the Auto manufacturers should give up on EVs but getting them in the hands of pickup truck owners is proving to be a hard sell which is why Ram is probably going to push the V6 Pentastar engine generator one after they cancelled the Full EV one when ever they decide to start producing it that is. Seems like a lot of people for right now outside of the truck world are not wanting to jump full on the EV train yet either but will be much easier to attempt to get them into than the pickup truck buyer.

Ditto for Ford.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

Well the main issue is a lot of people like being able to fill it with gas and not worry about it. In the case of the Ford Lightning above it was 80k and the ICE versions were more affordable and more convenient. From what I have gathered especially going through various truck reddits, forums and other social media an EV is just an inconvenience to them and rather have a hybrid you can just fill up with gas. Pickup trucks is one of if not our biggest segment in the US market right now too. I don't think the Auto manufacturers should give up on EVs but getting them in the hands of pickup truck owners is proving to be a hard sell which is why Ram is probably going to push the V6 Pentastar engine generator one after they cancelled the Full EV one when ever they decide to start producing it that is. Seems like a lot of people for right now outside of the truck world are not wanting to jump full on the EV train yet either but will be much easier to attempt to get them into than the pickup truck buyer.

I still don't understand why the big three were trying to push EV trucks as the halo vehicles for their EV line ups. Almost every review of the EV trucks(mostly F150 lightning) when they came out was commuting they are fine but once they do truck stuff the range just goes to useless.

Guy I play softball with bought a Hummer EV over the summer. Absolutely loves the thing. Said he took it to his summer house towing their boat. Trip usually takes about 3 1/2 hours, this time with the hummer took him almost 9 hours because they had to stop and charge, and disconnect the trailer every time to get it to fit in charging bays. Said that he will never take it on a long trip like that again, but for commuting around town it's incredible.

So again why was the push for EV trucks that struggle to do truck stuff? Why not SUVs and CUV sized vehicles to push the technology(I know there are a few now, but still)