Electric Vehicles

[bishopts]

i would be fine with an EV if it were in front of a manual transmission. then it would be fun to drive.
i good friend of mine went from a 5.0 mustang to a tesla. after a year i had asked him about it and if he liked it. he said it has a lot of great features but it is so boring.

[PDXSSCE]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

Another blow to EV?

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/t...212656060.html

Most companies aren't stupid. Similar to the the last time this administration was in office, they won't shift gears simply because they undo something, only to have the next administration reinstate it. Consumer demand dictates their direction.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by PDXSSCE

Most companies aren't stupid. Similar to the the last time this administration was in office, they won't shift gears simply because they undo something, only to have the next administration reinstate it. Consumer demand dictates their direction.

The next admin will be JDV. A continuation of the current policies for at least another 8 years.

Then I submit a certain Erika will follow.

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by PDXSSCE

Most companies aren't stupid. Similar to the the last time this administration was in office, they won't shift gears simply because they undo something, only to have the next administration reinstate it. Consumer demand dictates their direction.

The 2035 mandate is probably done for though in the US for the states that pushed it. Looking at the numbers available we are no where near where we should be in this year for the 2035 mandate and based on consumer buying habits and the loss of the EV credits it won't get better for it.

[PDXSSCE]

Originally Posted by olrocker

The next admin will be JDV. A continuation of the current policies for at least another 8 years.

Then I submit a certain Erika will follow.

[PDXSSCE]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

The 2035 mandate is probably done for though in the US for the states that pushed it. Looking at the numbers available we are no where near where we should be in this year for the 2035 mandate and based on consumer buying habits and the loss of the EV credits it won't get better for it.

I agree that it was an aggressive and averse timeline.

[bigd1276]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...s/87589352007/

General Motors Co. faced the prospect of needing to cut production of gasoline-fueled vehicles if electric-vehicle sales failed to grow as needed under ambitious fuel economy requirements enacted by President Joe Biden, company Chief Executive Officer Mary Barra said.

Fuel efficiency standards now being rolled back under President Donald Trump would have required a fleet average of about 50 miles per gallon by 2031. That effectively meant that most carmakers would have to get more than half of their sales from EVs by that time.

If those EV sales didn’t materialize — and the rules weren’t reduced by Biden in response — GM would have had to limit sales of gasoline-powered vehicles and possibly shut down some of its production, Barra said at the New York Times Dealbook conference in New York on Wednesday.

“We were going to have to start shutting down plants,” Barra said.

The White House on Wednesday is proposing weaker fuel economy standards to replace those enacted under Biden in the Trump administration’s latest move to dismantle what the president has called Biden’s “EV mandate.”

Automakers including GM have already cut output of EVs due to softening demand. GM also plans to convert the Orion Assembly plant earmarked for plug-in vehicles to make large SUVs and pickup trucks.

[Martinjlm]

This is why the current US direction towards isolationism in the auto industry is a dangerous long term path. Keep in mind the average price of a new vehicle in the US is between $49 - 50k.

Look what's already available in two markets that are LARGER than the US market at a price of $47k. Parts of the Inflation Reduction Act that was focused on the automotive industry was put in place to allow domestic automakers to accelerate their development of vehicles to compete against vehicles like this. Now we are in a position where some automakers will lag in their ability to develop vehicles to compete.

https://youtu.be/Mb6H7trzMfI?si=D_itFXHC9KcGjy3q

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

This is why the current US direction towards isolationism in the auto industry is a dangerous long term path. Keep in mind the average price of a new vehicle in the US is between $49 - 50k.

Look what's already available in two markets that are LARGER than the US market at a price of $47k. Parts of the Inflation Reduction Act that was focused on the automotive industry was put in place to allow domestic automakers to accelerate their development of vehicles to compete against vehicles like this. Now we are in a position where some automakers will lag in their ability to develop vehicles to compete.

https://youtu.be/Mb6H7trzMfI?si=D_itFXHC9KcGjy3q

I do not put this blame on just the Automakers. The US Consumer (which to be fair this is not to fault them but they provide demand) politics and the Automakers. I still believe to this day that if California didn't put in the EV mandate then we probably would not be in this situation and there would be more consumer demand. I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS POLITICAL. I am just saying if things were allowed to naturally happen we would live in a US where ICE and EV would co exist more freely without the resistance you see now.

[PDXSSCE]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

This is why the current US direction towards isolationism in the auto industry is a dangerous long term path. Keep in mind the average price of a new vehicle in the US is between $49 - 50k.

Look what's already available in two markets that are LARGER than the US market at a price of $47k. Parts of the Inflation Reduction Act that was focused on the automotive industry was put in place to allow domestic automakers to accelerate their development of vehicles to compete against vehicles like this. Now we are in a position where some automakers will lag in their ability to develop vehicles to compete.

https://youtu.be/Mb6H7trzMfI?si=D_itFXHC9KcGjy3q

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

This is why the current US direction towards isolationism in the auto industry is a dangerous long term path. Keep in mind the average price of a new vehicle in the US is between $49 - 50k.

Look what's already available in two markets that are LARGER than the US market at a price of $47k. Parts of the Inflation Reduction Act that was focused on the automotive industry was put in place to allow domestic automakers to accelerate their development of vehicles to compete against vehicles like this. Now we are in a position where some automakers will lag in their ability to develop vehicles to compete.

https://youtu.be/Mb6H7trzMfI?si=D_itFXHC9KcGjy3q

Since you’re the “expert” with so much more “insider knowledge” than the rest of us you of all people should understand the US car market is DIFFERENT from the rest of the world.

It always has been and it always will be. Even 50 years from now.

In America we have long, smooth, wide expansive highways that other than a few bits and pieces of Europe are NOTHING - and most Americans daily commute is on one of these long expansive highways to work and back.

I drive 25 miles each way. Mostly I-480 and I71 through the Cleveland area. If I’m not going at least 70+ I’m getting cussed out, brights flashed at, or worse. So I usually set my cruise at 75 and I’m good. In 60 mph zones mind you.

Americans have NEVER wanted, nor will they EVER want, the small efficient tiny cars you see in the rest of the world.

The F150 is STILL one of if not THE best selling vehicle in America. Silverado, Ram Trucks, and Sierra are all top 5.

They’re today’s version of the ‘72 Caprice your Grandather drove.

The American market is for big, roomy, comfortable trucks or cars that have V8 engines, run on gas, get 15 mpg, and can refill 30 gallons in 5 minutes.

Sure there’s”blips” over the years where “efficient” cars were the in thing.

But let’s be honest: the only people who actually wanted EVs to begin with are tech geeks with pocket protectors and horn-rimmed glasses and Green Peace tree huggers who shower maybe once a month and their other hygiene is suspect at best.

For the rest of us normal, hard working, every day Americans we Weill continue to buy cars and trucks that simply don’t even fit down half the streets in Italy or Japan.

So if manufacturers want to make REAL money in America, they’re going to make big cars and trucks with big gasoline V8 engines, and to make MORE money and INCREASE profits they can now remove all the expensive crap technology (auto start/stop, cylinder deactivation, direct injection, active grille radiator louvers, and half the O2 sensors) they’ve had to put on over the last 15 years and cut the price and STILL make more money.

They can still build the EVs and hybrids for the hippies and let THEM pay 3x the price since THEY want it so bad.

For the majority of Americans just give us the cars and trucks we want.

[bigd1276]

"Isolationism". Is that a globalist term for giving U.S. customers what they want?
Asking for a friend.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by bigd1276

"Isolationism". Is that a globalist term for giving U.S. customers what they want?
Asking for a friend.

[Realist]

Why can’t the people who care about EV’s, work in the industry of EV’s (they seem to be paid well) and those who took the $7500 tax credit on EV’s put some of their $’s back into the US EV industry? There were billions in tax credits and so many qualified for them so there are billions of $’s out there of their own $’s to put towards EV’s. I’m not anti EV, just didn’t like seeing the US toss so much $’s toward those who didn’t need to be incentivized if they truly cared about the industry and the push toward EV’s. Basically saying “don’t take but put your money where your mouth is”. Not sure if anyone saw that GM stock didn’t do much for 10yrs. It basically doubled right around the time a certain someone was elected and a US EV common sense policy implemented. It hit an all time high just recently. Why because GM makes big trucks and SUV and that’s their gravy train and the EV path slowed, it’s that simple. Maybe dont focus on $400000 EVs, extreme high performance limited numbers of vettes and F1 racing or whatever league and put those $’s into EV R&D.