Mary Barra needs to resign

[olrocker]

Maybe Queen Mary can at least publicly state GM no longer has any interest in speaking to enthusiasts besides one single halo car and a couple rare, low production Cadillacs. We can all at least respect her a little if she just came right out and told us all to F off.

“If you can afford the Corvette or a Blackwing Cadillac do we have a performance car for you!!

If you can’t, how ‘bout a nice 4 Cylinder Equinox?”

[genxer]

I tend to agree with you olrocker. It's zero interest in luxury for me.

Some of the decent financials are people's inflation expectations and being more willing to part with their dollars. Some of it is gm is less dysfunctional than other OEMs.

Originally Posted by GreenZLE

I stopped by the local GM dealership last night and they had a bunch of 4cyl 1/2 ton trucks for more than $50K each. They'd be OK with an LS swap!

No way I'd buy that junk!

Many of the 2.7 trucks around me have made their way to the low mileage one owner lot, priced in the $30k's. I actually think there's a market for people that mostly want size and are squeezed on price. All the 2.7 trucks should just be crew cab shorty bed unibody riffs off the Traverse. Up from there would be the best segment to revive Voltec.

[lbls1]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

GM did just re-engineer the small block V8, so it's very likely. The main purpose of the re-engineering was to address 2027 emissions requirements for commercial vehicles (2500 series and up) but there's no reason those engines couldn't be used in the 1500 series trucks.

As long as GM continues to make the good stuff then I'll stick around. Not everyone likes performance, but a healthy v8 or other motor with plenty of get up and go will appeal to a lot of car buying folks.

[FarmerFran]

I drive a Ford so i know nothing

[Capricio]

Originally Posted by GreenZLE

I stopped by the local GM dealership last night and they had a bunch of 4cyl 1/2 ton trucks for more than $50K each. They'd be OK with an LS swap!

No way I'd buy that junk!

Plenty of crew cab WT 4x2 basic half tons under $40k here.

https://www.freewaychevrolet.com/sea...Cab&year=2024&

I can't convince myself that towing anything with a small displacement forced induction GDI will last very long. Maybe I'm wrong, I guess we'll find out over time.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by Capricio

I can't convince myself that towing anything with a small displacement forced induction GDI will last very long. Maybe I'm wrong, I guess we'll find out over time.

Traditionally, I would agree with you. In this case though, I remember reading the lead engineer at the Colorado press launch saying he believes it'll turn out to be one of the most durable engines GM has ever built based on the design, diesel elements, and the testing regimen they put it through. Take that for what it's worth. We'll see.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by snizzle

Traditionally, I would agree with you. In this case though, I remember reading the lead engineer at the Colorado press launch saying he believes it'll turn out to be one of the most durable engines GM has ever built based on the design, diesel elements, and the testing regimen they put it through. Take that for what it's worth. We'll see.

You make a good point. The 2.7L L4 gas and the 3.0L diesel are developed from the same product family.

[GreenZLE]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Maybe it's a location thing. GM does try to distribute product based on what sells in an area. In Metro Detroit there is no shortage of Silverados under $50k with 5.3L and under $60k with 6.2L. Pretty much on par with pricing for F150 in the area.

When you go to Chevrolet and built a WT 1/2 ton, the only option is a 4 cylinder. I've got a friend who works for a big roofing company in town so I called him up and asked what his boss is going to do now that the WT's they usually buy no longer have V8's as an option.

He told me they bought a WT with a 6cyl several years ago and it was junk by 60K miles so they quit buying them. His boss is hooked on GM because he has a GM rewards credit card. He's very resistant to buying Fords but he absolutely will NOT put his guys in a 4cyl truck so he's not sure what he will do in the future.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by GreenZLE

When you go to Chevrolet and built a WT 1/2 ton, the only option is a 4 cylinder. I've got a friend who works for a big roofing company in town so I called him up and asked what his boss is going to do now that the WT's they usually buy no longer have V8's as an option.

He told me they bought a WT with a 6cyl several years ago and it was junk by 60K miles so they quit buying them. His boss is hooked on GM because he has a GM rewards credit card. He's very resistant to buying Fords but he absolutely will NOT put his guys in a 4cyl truck so he's not sure what he will do in the future.

For a W/T that makes sense. W/T tend to be lower cost value trucks with few options, so they offer just the base engine. The way I read your first post on this I didn’t get that you were talking about W/T.

Originally Posted by GreenZLE

I stopped by the local GM dealership last night and they had a bunch of 4cyl 1/2 ton trucks for more than $50K each. They'd be OK with an LS swap!

No way I'd buy that junk!

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by snizzle

Rumor is next gen trucks on T1-2 (basically a warmed over revision of existing platform), gen 6 V8, plug-in hybrid option. Hearing that as well Martin?

We’ve been batting this around in the office lately. Some of us think they’ll offer a PHEV off of T1/T2. Some of us think they’ll offer an EREV off of BT1. What we do agree on is there WILL be a plug. I’m Team EREV.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

We’ve been batting this around in the office lately. Some of us think they’ll offer a PHEV off of T1/T2. Some of us think they’ll offer an EREV off of BT1. What we do agree on is there WILL be a plug. I’m Team EREV.

See I would think it would be easier to retool T1 (as they are reportedly doing right now w/T1-2 for next gen truck) as a hybrid than a purpose built BEV platform, but no evidence to draw from there.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by snizzle

See I would think it would be easier to retool T1 (as they are reportedly doing right now w/T1-2 for next gen truck) as a hybrid than a purpose built BEV platform, but no evidence to draw from there.

Assume it’s a PHEV:
T1/T2 is probably your starting point because you already have engine, transmission, exhaust, driveline, and fuel tank packaged. So you need a place to put electric motors. There will need to be at least two. You will also need to place the batteries. New regulations will require PHEVs to travel a minimum of 70 miles on electric only. That will increase size of battery, so battery packaging is non-trivial. Current PHEVs in smaller, lighter vehicles achieve 20 - 40 miles all-electric on batteries in the 18 - 25 kWh range.

Assume it’s an EREV:
BT1 is probably your starting point. Battery and electric motors are already packaged. You don’t need a transmission or driveline. The exhaust and fuel tank are simplified compared to a PHEV and so they’ll be smaller. The engine is the main issue for packaging. Remember that frunk in Silverado EV? That would be gone or significantly reduced. The 200 kWh battery becomes a 100 kWh battery. That should free up enough space for a small (10 gallon or less) fuel tank.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Assume it’s a PHEV:
T1/T2 is probably your starting point because you already have engine, transmission, exhaust, driveline, and fuel tank packaged. So you need a place to put electric motors. There will need to be at least two. You will also need to place the batteries. New regulations will require PHEVs to travel a minimum of 70 miles on electric only. That will increase size of battery, so battery packaging is non-trivial. Current PHEVs in smaller, lighter vehicles achieve 20 - 40 miles all-electric on batteries in the 18 - 25 kWh range.

Assume it’s an EREV:
BT1 is probably your starting point. Battery and electric motors are already packaged. You don’t need a transmission or driveline. The exhaust and fuel tank are simplified compared to a PHEV and so they’ll be smaller. The engine is the main issue for packaging. Remember that frunk in Silverado EV? That would be gone or significantly reduced. The 200 kWh battery becomes a 100 kWh battery. That should free up enough space for a small (10 gallon or less) fuel tank.

Interesting analysis. In bold, is that a federal regulation?

[DF454]

For the 2024 and 2025 Chevy Silverado WT regular cab, you can get the 5.3L V8 if you go with the long bed option. If you want a short bed regular cab, than the only engine is the 2.7L Turbo 4Cyl.
The double cab WT has both 4 and 8 cyl options.