Electric Vehicles

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by olrocker

If car companies can’t be profitable on low low sales/low production of EV they’re just going to have to go back to putting their investments all in ICE or simply go out of business.

In a true free market, I would agree. In the one we have in this country, they will not be allowed to fail as long as their intentions are noble (ehem, "climate change") to those in power.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by snizzle

In a true free market, I would agree. In the one we have in this country, they will not be allowed to fail as long as their intentions are noble (ehem, "climate change") to those in power.

Which is why we really do need you know who to win Tuesday.

[silversleeper]

I thought I might give a brief 1yr update on my EV ownership summary on a Tesla Y.
For the price with rebates I feel I made a good purchase.
It has not needed a single trip to the dealer for repairs and nothing is broken. I have 6k mi on it now with mixed city highway.
A few flaws are common. I have a slight paint stain. The upon purchase moisture in the tail light hasn't returned despite going through brushed car washes monthly. I think the numbskulls at the dealer prepped it with high pressure washers. The keyless smartphone unlock sometimes needs to press door handle to unlock other doors or charging port. The full self driving is not full self driving in a safe and sane manner. Tinting and roof interior cover helped with the excess heat inside and battery usage to bring it back down. 12amp regular house plugs not enough to charge it before a big trip unless you plan ahead 24hours in advance or use superchargers there or back.
I DIY last week with the help of youtube a 220v from panel to the mobil charger wall mounted unit with a $40 optional plug and receptical that is 3 prong 30amp that now charges at 24amp which is much much faster and good for my usage. I don't want to draw down the 40a of the other Tesla wall charger I have in the box because I got a new heat pump AC and don't want to use too much solar power all at once and get charged for electricity when running both.
That segue's me in saying I'm not certain if I didn't have a house to charge at I'd want to go EV. The supercharging is slightly time consuming even going from 20-80 if I had to do it all the time and inconvenient, the 40cents per kilowatt at the superchargers here isn't so much cheaper than a hybrid to be worth my time.
The overall car isn't up to an upper line domestic car and is easily out classed by a eurocar or premium car.
I like the car very much for its regen braking.
Acceleration
Silent driving
mixed on the big screen but not enough old school knobs
seats and the rest of the interior is ok.
Full self driving in the latest update is ok. I got another free 30days because I'm too thrifty to pay a damn 12,000 now $8,000 for it! I was happy it drove me better to the cafe last week when a year ago it was more of a problem diving in the parking lane etc. However I had to grab the wheel to turn into the parking lot as it was going to pass it and what try to jump the curb and go into the side of the building later? It would have turned itself off and said take over at some point after stopping in traffic?
I never bought it with the expectation that giving a forward pointing cam only it would ever be capable of full autonomous function. I think adding radar or lidar and AI on them someday they will be able to do that. It does ok now on some simple drives that include on and off the highway.
My main reason to buy it have been met. Cheap purchase and operating costs. No breakdowns or dealer hassles. No hassle or rip off buying experience. No $500 oil changes like they want for my other car Service A Service B and super ripoff 50k or 100k services.
Whiners can go ahead and lose their minds now. I didn't burn my house down and all that. No one wants them, yeah sure. A year ago no one on my 12house block had an EV and now there are two Ys and a Toyota bz4x.

[GreenZLE]

Originally Posted by silversleeper

I thought I might give a brief 1yr update on my EV ownership summary on a Tesla Y.
For the price with rebates I feel I made a good purchase.
It has not needed a single trip to the dealer for repairs and nothing is broken. I have 6k mi on it now with mixed city highway.
A few flaws are common. I have a slight paint stain. The upon purchase moisture in the tail light hasn't returned despite going through brushed car washes monthly. I think the numbskulls at the dealer prepped it with high pressure washers. The keyless smartphone unlock sometimes needs to press door handle to unlock other doors or charging port. The full self driving is not full self driving in a safe and sane manner. Tinting and roof interior cover helped with the excess heat inside and battery usage to bring it back down. 12amp regular house plugs not enough to charge it before a big trip unless you plan ahead 24hours in advance or use superchargers there or back.
I DIY last week with the help of youtube a 220v from panel to the mobil charger wall mounted unit with a $40 optional plug and receptical that is 3 prong 30amp that now charges at 24amp which is much much faster and good for my usage. I don't want to draw down the 40a of the other Tesla wall charger I have in the box because I got a new heat pump AC and don't want to use too much solar power all at once and get charged for electricity when running both.
That segue's me in saying I'm not certain if I didn't have a house to charge at I'd want to go EV. The supercharging is slightly time consuming even going from 20-80 if I had to do it all the time and inconvenient, the 40cents per kilowatt at the superchargers here isn't so much cheaper than a hybrid to be worth my time.
The overall car isn't up to an upper line domestic car and is easily out classed by a eurocar or premium car.
I like the car very much for its regen braking.
Acceleration
Silent driving
mixed on the big screen but not enough old school knobs
seats and the rest of the interior is ok.
Full self driving in the latest update is ok. I got another free 30days because I'm too thrifty to pay a damn 12,000 now $8,000 for it! I was happy it drove me better to the cafe last week when a year ago it was more of a problem diving in the parking lane etc. However I had to grab the wheel to turn into the parking lot as it was going to pass it and what try to jump the curb and go into the side of the building later? It would have turned itself off and said take over at some point after stopping in traffic?
I never bought it with the expectation that giving a forward pointing cam only it would ever be capable of full autonomous function. I think adding radar or lidar and AI on them someday they will be able to do that. It does ok now on some simple drives that include on and off the highway.
My main reason to buy it have been met. Cheap purchase and operating costs. No breakdowns or dealer hassles. No hassle or rip off buying experience. No $500 oil changes like they want for my other car Service A Service B and super ripoff 50k or 100k services.
Whiners can go ahead and lose their minds now. I didn't burn my house down and all that. No one wants them, yeah sure. A year ago no one on my 12house block had an EV and now there are two Ys and a Toyota bz4x.

The argument against full EV has never been that nobody wants them. However, not EVERYBODY wants them. I test drove a Tesla and it was both impressive and fun. The rub comes from the forced mandates that are forcing us into limited choices all over some global warming hoaxology.

Personally, I'd like to have a Tesla Plaid just to screw around in. I'd never give up my ZLE for one though. The Plaid doesnt hold a candle to it for what I use it for.

[Martinjlm]

Thanks for the status report silversleeper. Next week we’ll hit the one year mark on our Model Y. A bit over 8,000 miles. Charge almost exclusively at 240V / 32A at $0.17 per kWh. No service issues. Did have to replace a tire due to a sidewall split driving through a construction area. That sucked.

We’re also on our 2nd 30-day FSD trial. It is better than the last go-round with FSD but still not enough for me to want to pay $8k or $99/month for it. Used it today to go to and from a trail bike outing. In aggressive setting it drives like a real a$$#0l3. I had to back it down to Chill.

I’ve had the Equinox EV for two months now. Wasn’t planning on getting it but couldn’t pass up $0 down / $330 a month. It does “car things” better than the Model Y. The Model Y does “EV things” better than the EQEV. With one exception…the range estimation on the EQEV is much better than the Model Y It’s also slightly more efficient in terms of m/kWh, even though it is a heavier vehicle. But if I were taking a long trip, I’d take the Tesla. More cargo room and Tesla Supercharger options. Yes, GM can now use Tesla Superchargers but it requires a $295 adaptor that I don’t intend to buy for a vehicle that I’ll be giving back when the lease ends in 2 years. Plus, we already have the Tesla that doesn’t need an adaptor to use Superchargers.

[Realist]

At this point to me, Telsa is still the only manufactured EV to go with for those that don’t have employee or vendor discounts. They make most of their parts and seem to have a better grasp of all EV. The charging network that I thought Tesla only opened up 15% of to its competitors.

EV’s only make sense as a purchase if you can charge at home. Or a company that can have their fleet charge nightly to save on fuel costs and get the green gov cheese tax writeoffs.

Instead of percentages let’s see the numbers of actual sales.

Leases are the way to go right now and that keeps you out of the terrible resale value of all these EV’s. Gonna see lyriq sales up because they heavily discounting and the older established folk can afford and charge home.

Lots of unknowns still. Most all EV’s are still under warranty. Gotta see what fails outside the warranty, where to get parts and who will repair it at a reasonable cost?

It’s crazy to me all the tax $’s thrown at chargers, grid improvement to handle and chip manufacturing.

[102SS]

Not a production EV but this kids JR dragster catches fire at the end of a run and there are almost disastrous results.

https://www.dragzine.com/features/le...gn=dz%2011%2F1

[Realist]

Yeah the battery fires are concerning. I saw where a lithium recycling plant had an issue earlier this week. Also our local fire dept is looking for an additional $200 a year, half to cut response times from 6mins down to 4mins and the other is for increased training and equipment needs to address EV accidents and fires. So increased property taxes, increased road wear, increased guard rail needs, increased insurance costs, tire use increased, lower gas tax revenues and on and on. Gov cheese tossed at Wall Street and those that look to our Gov to solve all our problems. Should drop the $7500 tax credit and have the EV folks paying full price plus $7500 to the gov to cover the costs to transition to the change, makes more sense to me and it would show that the true believers actually support the transition. All the folks I know who own an EV had the additional $’s to pay full price plus more.

[silversleeper]

And still half the urban myths remain. The Tesla Y weighs the same as my ZL1 at 4200lbs with gas and oil in it. Oh shhh don't tell the people that want more $$ for any excuse, der we need better guard rails and stronger bridges, what about your Silverado at 5000lbs, oh that doesn't count because it's ICE. Firefighters sit around all day mostly but they will need overtime to watch a video on how to put foam on a chemical fire. All the hazmat tagged trucks and hazmat training go out the window if it's an EV derrr. I see through some things, one of the hazards of getting old. Tesla's have been in production over 10 years but we got no idea what will happen if you buy one. How about your GM that gets all new engines and transmissions every couple years because we sure can't stick to the ones that were reliable and didn't fail.


Edit: I think every person on here does not believe in any mandate away from ICE or that the rebates are fair. It's been said many times. I would write lots on global warming farse as a retired atmospheric science person, I'll just say follow the dollars on all that. Many people buy and EV for benefits to themselves, zero emissions is nice but many of us are not paranoid about it.

[102SS]

Originally Posted by silversleeper

And still half the urban myths remain. The Tesla Y weighs the same as my ZL1 at 4200lbs with gas and oil in it. Oh shhh don't tell the people that want more $$ for any excuse, der we need better guard rails and stronger bridges, what about your Silverado at 5000lbs, oh that doesn't count because it's ICE. Firefighters sit around all day mostly but they will need overtime to watch a video on how to put foam on a chemical fire. All the hazmat tagged trucks and hazmat training go out the window if it's an EV derrr. I see through some things, one of the hazards of getting old. Tesla's have been in production over 10 years but we got no idea what will happen if you buy one. How about your GM that gets all new engines and transmissions every couple years because we sure can't stick to the ones that were reliable and didn't fail.


Edit: I think every person on here does not believe in any mandate away from ICE or that the rebates are fair. It's been said many times. I would write lots on global warming farse as a retired atmospheric science person, I'll just say follow the dollars on all that. Many people buy and EV for benefits to themselves, zero emissions is nice but many of us are not paranoid about it.

Great story on Infowars today how WEF and the World Bank scammed 41B of Global Warming money and do not know where it went

[lbls1]

^What I believe that the government and the auto industry will need to come to terms with the fact that the buying consumer will ultimately control the market by buying the car type that they want.

General Motors as well as some of the other makers will have to come to terms with the fact that some consumers, like myself, may never own an EV, for personal and/or pragmatic reasons. My personal view is that the technology has yet to surpass the accomplishments of ICE powertrains. This is the main belief of mine that the automotive market needs to invest in other types of alternative fuels. It is very possible that one day a maker may develop or discover an alternative automotive genre that can achieve and possibly surpass the accomplishments of ICE. This could take many years of development, but the possibilities are there.

Until the day approaches that a viable fuel solution becomes a reality, I encourage the likes of Honda and Toyota and any maker to continue to manufacture and market their reliable Accord, Civic, Celica, Camry and related SUVs.

[olrocker]

Good morning fellow Camaro owners!!

It’s a GREAT day to be an internal combustion enthusiast and proponent!

[90503]

It's a relief to know that the Paris Climate Accords had no binding impact or influence on the market driven EV demand.

So when the US gets out of that fiasco once again, it should be a non-issue for the EV market...lol

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Tesla shares up 14.75% today