Mary Barra needs to resign

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by olrocker

We know your whole story, you’ve told it a thousand times. Telling it one more time isn’t changing anyone’s mind here. You’re a broken record.

The book of boards who have thought their incapable CEOs were doing a bang up job in the history of America would have a thousand pages.

If she’s not a DEI she’s a sycophant for a certain political persuasion. The whole board is. Either way she was not hired for her brain.

Sorry you feel that way.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Sorry you feel that way.

Don’t be. I’m not.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by olrocker

Don’t be. I’m not.

Oh, I know you aren’t. But I don’t know you and that is unfortunately an internet judgment I conclude from your (apparent) insensitive post.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Oh, I know you aren’t. But I don’t know you and that is unfortunately an internet judgment I conclude from your (apparent) insensitive post.

Life’s hard. Business is harder. If sensitivity is any part of your business acumen you’re in the wrong career. Try Walmart greeter.

[Evergreen6]

I'm pretty sure Ms. Barra and her $29 Million per year compensation package don't give a f* what any of you think.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

I'm pretty sure Ms. Barra and her $29 Million per year compensation package don't give a f* what any of you think.

Oh you’re absolutely right.

[lbls1]

Lets take a good look at this. Mary's ship isn't the only one with gaping holes in its side. There is not one, that correct, not one manufacturer short of BMW and Mercedes (I'm not happy with those marques either) that is producing any meaningful or desirous content in terms of new automobiles. It is apparent that the trend in cars is the crossover body style (the carry all but with no meaninful content). In essence, these are rolling refrigerator-freezer style transportation, complete with the door thunk sound and door chimes. I am sure that technology dollars have gone into the design of these vehicles, but aside from safety, one crossover looks just like any crossover vehicle. No styling cues, no aspiration, no sense of style.

Now, if Barra has played a signifcant role in Chevrolet's decline, then certainly she should take blame for it. If she really wants to be remembered as an effective leader, then she should also admit her mistakes and take corrective measures in putting out meaningful car products. I'm sure all of GM's news isn't doom and gloom, but they are a far cry from automotive's glory days.

[m6-lt1]

I’m having a hard time understanding why y’all think Barra is running GM into the ground. The company has been more profitable under her than the last person in charge and probably more than the person in charge before that person.

I don’t like that the Camaro died under her leadership and I hate what happened to the corvette (no manual and ridiculous starting price now). I can’t say I wouldn’t have killed the Camaro too if I was in charge. The car didn’t sell. As ceo it’d be my job to make the company as much money as possible. Of course I’m killing a poor selling name on a very expensive platform. While it sucks that’s what ANY CEO would do.

I wish GM and other companies made cars I liked still but I hate to break it to y’al but we are the minority. There just aren’t many enthusiasts left for them to consider making more enthusiast vehicles.

If I was CEO of any car company I’d most likely opt to kill all my rwd platforms because front drive cars are cheaper to manufacture and would have a few awd cars. There just isn’t that many folks to cater to who would want a rwd option. While it would pain me as a car guy to do that the $100 dollar bills I’d be rolling around on on my bed would make my tears go away.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I’m having a hard time understanding why y’all think Barra is running GM into the ground. The company has been more profitable under her than the last person in charge and probably more than the person in charge before that person.

I don’t like that the Camaro died under her leadership and I hate what happened to the corvette (no manual and ridiculous starting price now). I can’t say I wouldn’t have killed the Camaro too if I was in charge. The car didn’t sell. As ceo it’d be my job to make the company as much money as possible. Of course I’m killing a poor selling name on a very expensive platform. While it sucks that’s what ANY CEO would do.

I wish GM and other companies made cars I liked still but I hate to break it to y’al but we are the minority. There just aren’t many enthusiasts left for them to consider making more enthusiast vehicles.

If I was CEO of any car company I’d most likely opt to kill all my rwd platforms because front drive cars are cheaper to manufacture and would have a few awd cars. There just isn’t that many folks to cater to who would want a rwd option. While it would pain me as a car guy to do that the $100 dollar bills I’d be rolling around on on my bed would make my tears go away.

Dude, please stop making sense. That’s not what this thread is for.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

Your opinions are just that, and you have every right to be wrong as you enjoy

It's pretty hard to argue some extremely significant cars haven't been produced under Barra's leadership including the C8, Blacking, 6th Generation Camaro, and mass-production EV's. Look at their truck lineup. We didn't get that under Ackerson or Wagoner.

Rick Wagoner greenlighted the return of the Camaro 5th Gen back in around 2006-07 after the overwhelming success of the prototype making the autoshow rounds.

They were working on 6th Gen design by 2013 under Dan Akerson. Surely the 6th Gen was too far along in development when Queen Mary took her throne in 2014, so she pretty much had little to do with it other than maybe a color choice.

I bet Ed Welbourne and Scott Settlemire are glad to be retired.

There’s an interview with Bob Lutz on YouTube from maybe 3-4 months ago where he literally said the 6th Gen Camaro was the best chassis GM ever made and it’s a shame they are cancelling it.

Thats the guy who should have been CEO 20 years ago.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by olrocker

Rick Wagoner greenlighted the return of the Camaro 5th Gen back in around 2006-07 after the overwhelming success of the prototype making the autoshow rounds.

They were working on 6th Gen design by 2013 under Dan Akerson. Surely the 6th Gen was too far along in development when Queen Mary took her throne in 2014, so she pretty much had little to do with it other than maybe a color choice.

I bet Ed Welbourne and Scott Settlemire are glad to be retired.

Wagoner also sent GM into bankruptcy chasing to keep the sales title.

Akerson bailed and ran and left the ignition debacle for Mary to handle.

I wouldn't classify either as good CEO's.

Car enthusiast products may have come out under them, but they created crisis's for GM as a company.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

Your opinions are just that, and you have every right to be wrong as you enjoy

It's pretty hard to argue some extremely significant cars haven't been produced under Barra's leadership including the C8, Blacking, 6th Generation Camaro, and mass-production EV's. Look at their truck lineup. We didn't get that under Ackerson or Wagoner.

The Blackwing debacle is not a great example of success. How they managed to drop the ball on something with so much hype is shocking.

The 6th gen Camaro flopped. A parts bin special with the bare minimum of development, ignoring all of the issues the 5th gen had.

The new Colorado is another cost cutting special. One body style, one powertrain, cheap lighting, limited options, and a damn prop rod instead of hood struts.

The Silverado and Sierra are a little better but that’s because they make so much money. Still, where’s the Raptor or TRX competitor?

The C8 is the only GM vehicle that is actually doing anything interesting.

So sure, she’s making profit at the expense of interesting and inspired vehicles. Can she maintain the success selling blandness? She’s fortunate most people just want 4 wheels to get from A to B.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The Blackwing debacle is not a great example of success. How they managed to drop the ball on something with so much hype is shocking.

The 6th gen Camaro flopped. A parts bin special with the bare minimum of development, ignoring all of the issues the 5th gen had.

The new Colorado is another cost cutting special. One body style, one powertrain, cheap lighting, limited options, and a damn prop rod instead of hood struts.

The Silverado and Sierra are a little better but that’s because they make so much money. Still, where’s the Raptor or TRX competitor?

The C8 is the only GM vehicle that is actually doing anything interesting.

So sure, she’s making profit at the expense of interesting and inspired vehicles. Can she maintain the success selling blandness? She’s fortunate most people just want 4 wheels to get from A to B.

Toyota and Honda seem to do just that. Streets around here seem to be littered with RAV4s and CRVs (many are hybrids, GM has no answer). If full size trucks and SUVs struggle, not sure what GM would do other than look to the tax payer again.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

So sure, she’s making profit at the expense of interesting and inspired vehicles. Can she maintain the success selling blandness? She’s fortunate most people just want 4 wheels to get from A to B.

The final sentence you wrote is exactly why she’s been a successful CEO. It would lose the company money (because the resources could be used on another bland vehicle development for the masses that would be more profitable) if she green lighted something cool like a 7th Gen V8 Camaro, Chevy SS/Chevelle remake, Silverado with an LT4, etc. There just aren’t enough buyers for those types of vehicles. If we think Camaro sales are bad go look at Supra, Nissan Z, etc sales. It’s even less. There just aren’t many buyers for 50+k sporty cars anymore.

If I were a board member with a lot of shares in the company and she presents to me a slide with profit/loses by each vehicle in the lineup and I saw how small the profit was on the Camaro/CT4/5 I’d ask her why. After she tells me why I’d tell her she better drop it from the lineup and make something more people want if she wants to keep her job as would the rest of the members. It’s just the unfortunate truth.

The only way a car company can make multiple cool enthusiast products is if they either don’t go public and/or charge a high amount for each vehicle (Porsche for example).