Electric Vehicles

[LT4Greg]

Yep it is what it is!

[GreenZLE]

Originally Posted by jamala00

There is still a V8 in the Corvette?

New, as in cars that V8's were taken out of, as in the Camaro, which will soon no longer exist.

[GreenZLE]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

yea what great pony cars they built in the 70s ,80s and 90s
what amazing history

Dont get so but hurt. The history is when ford and mopar were still sponsoring racing, Chevy refused. As a lifelong GM fan, its been especially frustrating to everyone who watched the history unfold that GM was always dead last when it came to supporting high performance. Its ALWAYS been that way too. It was almost always dealers and aftermarket groups that took Chevy's and made them the legendary cars we look back on today. The ZL1 and 1LE options as they exist today are nothing short of a miracle in Chevrolet history.

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by GreenZLE

New, as in cars that V8's were taken out of, as in the Camaro, which will soon no longer exist.

If you want a true muscle/pony car like the Camaro is today, you'll need to look toward the used market going forward. Stellantis isn't going to put a V8 in any car going forward either. Even gm is making the Corvette a hybrid and then soon to be electric. They are conditioning the the Corvette faithful with the ERay. (But of course all this is my opinion and best guess)

[AZCamaroFan]

i don't know what the next challenger is, nor do i care, but the current car at 198 inches and over 4,000 pounds is not a pony car.

[Devstrike]

It makes financial sense for Dodge have an ICE engine or lose half their customer base give or take. Unlike Chevy or Ford their truck division went to their own brand under Ram a decade ago so they don't really have a choice as of right now. Time will tell if they can get away with the ICE not being a V8 but a Turbo V6 though.

[el ess A]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Other automakers could have chosen this path. But they didn’t. They chose EV.

Sounds more like a Hobson's choice situation to me. If alphabets didn't come up with arbitrary numbers, do you think they'd have "chosen" EVs? Or truth be known, they could have been told to choose EVs. None of us were in that room. Won't ever know for sure now, but I seriously doubt they'd be on the current flight path if more reasonable standard ramp ups were on the table.

I'm sure they also "chose" to have DEI officers and ESG administrators, and all the other so-called woke things that companies that try to be all things to all people. They really only end up being nothing to anyone.

OEMs make some dumb decisions sometimes. Time always tells on them whether it was dumb or not. So I'm simply going to wait and see.

Right now, it's not going as well as planned. Can they make those needed adjustments? Tune in next year, kids, and we'll find out.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by jamala00

Wow... You completely missed the point of my post and actually your response just proves that my post you quoted is true.

My post stated that all pro EV owners ever want to talk about today is the cost of charging today, they never want to talk about what it will be when/if EVs take over ICE. Enjoy those cheap rates while you can.

Exactly. They talk about todays cost of electricity and some magical future where range and recharging times have been solved. So you have to live in a split reality. Electric costs of the past and technology of the future.

The reality will be higher electric costs of the future and crappy capabilities of today.

It's reassuring to see so many articles lately all talking about how demand for EVs is dropping, car manufacturers are reconsidering their EV commitments. Joint projects cancelled. Factory outputs scaled back.

You can only ignore the market so long.

The market says that the actual cost of EVs would be about $40k higher without government subsidies - not sustainable.

The market says the current grid is nowhere near being able to support the number of EVs certain idiots want to see on the road - not sustainable.

The market says people don't want to pay inflated prices for an inferior product - not sustainable.

The market says people like 300-400 mile range no matter the weather or traffic. People like to be able to fuel up on almost any corner. People like to be able to go from empty to full in less than five minutes. EVs can't do any of those things and won't be able to for the foreseeable future, no matter what automotive 'expert' consultants babble about.

Most of all, people in some countries still like to be able to choose what they want without being dictated to by bureaucrats, whether it be ICE vehicles instead of EVs, gas stoves instead of electric, gas furnaces instead of wood or coal, or ribeye steak instead of bugs.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by len125

https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news...engine-option/

dodge is coming back with an ICE engine...The new Charger will have an EV and an ICE.....

Poor Camaro....Gone with the wind.....we should have a 7th generation camaro ICE....

Originally Posted by riversidess1le

This has been know for a very, very long time. No more Hemi but the new platform will use the Hurricane inline 6 turbo.

This. We’ve known this for over a year now. The car will have hybrid, plug-in hybrid, and BEV versions. The hybrid and PHEV will have a boosted inline 6 as the root. Actually, not a bad engine on paper. Currently used in some Jeep products.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by GreenZLE

If you look at Chevy all the way back to the 60's, they either cant or wont learn. I'll bet Dodge will but a new V8 in their cars way before Chevy will. In fact, I'm sure Dodge will put a V8 in a pony car and GM flat out wont.

They’ll have a hard time finding one. Hemi is dead, except for a 6.4L kept around for commercial pickups. Parent company Stellantis (Citroen / Peugeot / Opel) is very focused on EVs i Europe and boosted 4 cylinders. The Hurricane L6 is based on a European designed L4 with 2 additional cylinders. Really good engine, though.

[Devstrike]

That 6.4 in the Ram 2500 and bigger trucks will have people taking it and placing it in cars modified for that use. I don't doubt it at all. EDIT: When I say people I mean not the manufacturer

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by GreenZLE

Dont get so but hurt. The history is when ford and mopar were still sponsoring racing, Chevy refused. As a lifelong GM fan, its been especially frustrating to everyone who watched the history unfold that GM was always dead last when it came to supporting high performance. Its ALWAYS been that way too. It was almost always dealers and aftermarket groups that took Chevy's and made them the legendary cars we look back on today. The ZL1 and 1LE options as they exist today are nothing short of a miracle in Chevrolet history.

The electric talk is a little premature now. Car companies are all pulling back on their electric futures.

[jamala00]

There is already an entire thread about electric bull $hit. Don't start, cluttering up other threads with EV talk...

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by olrocker

The electric talk is a little premature now. Car companies are all pulling back on their electric futures.

If you actually read what they actually said they are not pulling back on their endgame. They are just acknowledging it will take them longer to get there.

Specifically, GM has informed investors, stockholders, and media (I count as media) that they will not reach their goal of 100,000 EVs delivered in 2023 or 400,000 EVs delivered by the end of 2024. They DID NOT say they are shifting strategy back towards hybrids or ICE.

Both Ford and GM are slowing their ramp up of EV trucks. Ford because they aren’t selling. GM says it’s because they are making engineering changes to Silverado EV and Sierra EV that will push back launch timing. I’m sure slower than expected sales of Lightning had some weight on that decision.

GM is missing their targets because they are very slow getting product out of the factory. A lot of speculation as to why that is, but they aren’t talking about that. Not to anybody. Lyriq started production more than a year ago but they are still only trickling them out to customers. And the last time I looked, they’re only delivering single motor Lyriqs. Most people want the dual motor. They’ve completely delayed the Blazer EV rollout. SS is supposed to be in customers hands now, but they are only trickling out LT versions and have pushed the SS out until mid-2024. Equinox was supposed to be launching now but it hasn’t. All of these add up to missing the 100,000 target. But they are not pivoting away from these products.

The thing that’s frustrating for me is I’ve been all set, cash in hand, to buy a Blazer EV SS. Now it’s not coming until mid-next year but the Honda Prologue and Acura ZDX that are built on the same platform with the same motors and batteries are both coming to market soon.