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Tactical Z · 11-04-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tones2SS

Yeah, it saddens me. I liked Dodge cars/trucks the way they were. Who knows what they will become like now?!?!

Here's my daily driver!

Prestige Dodge Ram Daytona!

coolman · 11-04-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28

If the K car couldn't kill Chrysler......

As ugly as they were the k cars were good for chrysler. They sold a ton of them.

2ndgenz28 · 11-04-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by coolman

As ugly as they were the k cars were good for chrysler. They sold a ton of them.

People bought lots of Yugo's too

Poncho had the Aztek

Chevy had the Nova-yota

MrIcky · 11-04-2009, 02:27 PM

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/04/l...5-year-busine/

coolman · 11-04-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28

People bought lots of Yugo's too

Poncho had the Aztek

Chevy had the Nova-yota

I don't know anybody that bought a yugo. But to this day I still see k cars running around. Read your history. Those cars along with the mini van is what helped to turn chrysler around the first time they had trouble.

2ndgenz28 · 11-04-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIcky

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/04/l...5-year-busine/

Anyone wanna condence that into a 5-10 line jist of things?

MrIcky · 11-04-2009, 02:53 PM

1) They're going to make a t-diesel jeep. Looks like 5 jeep models total
2) They are cutting their offerings in every segment but the very small cars where they go from 0 to 2 and trucks which stay the same until the Dakota drops
3) They are cutting out management and improving line structure
4) They are doing a bunch of corporate double talk about quality
5) Dodge is staying around and making 'lifestyle' products (whatever that means)
6) Challenger is on the chart until 2014 with a 2011 refresh of some sort
7) Some sort of sync competitor coming
8) Some new engines coming, particularly 4s and 6s with some existing engines adapted to multiair for better economy
9) Dodge dakota going bye-bye, possibly a unibody replacement coming (ewww) and a heavy duty commercial van/box cab coming soon. Otherwise Ram brand goes on as is til 2012 refresh
10) Revised retail channel corporate double speak

^There you go, 10 items. Basically same thing evetone else has done.

2ndgenz28 · 11-04-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by coolman

I don't know anybody that bought a yugo. But to this day I still see k cars running around. Read your history. Those cars along with the mini van is what helped to turn chrysler around around the first time they had trouble.

Sure they made money, sellin crap.

tones2SS · 11-04-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tactical Z

Prestige Dodge Ram Daytona!

Thank you!!

I'm afraid to think what FIAT will do to this sort of truck or the Dodge cars. If there will even be a truck?!? FIAT is talking about "small" cars now!!!:(

kevin2323 · 11-04-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Would not consider 3,000 units a month as "selling great."

Chrysler doesn't need a low-volume car, they need a new Sebring, a new Caliber, a completely revamped lineup...

its a low volume car so it really doesnt matter....that isnt what is hurting chrysler. less than 30k challengers are made per year. that is low compared to the other 2.

kevin2323 · 11-04-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by manimsoblack

I'm interested in seeing what happens, IMO the only thing Chrysler had going for them were the Trucks and Jeeps, and in the past couple years they were messing up the jeep brand; compass/patriot

. Everything else was just awful, not so much so for the Challenger/Charger and Viper and two of those I'm not even that fond of but the sebring, caliber/avenger, and nitro can all burn. I guess the Caravan is ok but who wants to buy an ugly ass minivan when you could get an Escape or Equinox cheaper and get better gas milage. while looking better doing it. Do Ford or GM even sell minivans anymore? Every Dodge/Chrysler my family or friends have ever owned has needed a new transmission, ranging from a '93 Newyorker to an '04 Ram, in between there were a couple vans and a Stratus. I say good riddance, maybe Fiat can make them not suck so bad.

/rant

my dad had a 90s cherokee , and i have a 05 ram and neither have ever given us problems. i think u either have bad luck or dont treat your cars well

manimsoblack · 11-05-2009, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kevin2323

my dad had a 90s cherokee , and i have a 05 ram and neither have ever given us problems. i think u either have bad luck or dont treat your cars well

The Jeeps are fine, give the ram a few more years. Non of the cars were mine personally, I'd never buy one

and I can't say how the other people treated theirs. But that's quite a few lemons to be a coincidence.

*DGthe3* · 11-05-2009, 02:18 AM

I really want to like Dodge/Chrysler. But the best of their line-up is barely competitive. And the worst, well look at the Sebring. Fuel economy is below average, reliability is below average too, styling is hit or miss lately (unfortunately with more misses than hits), though they do alright on features. Beyond sheet metal there is little to differentiate a Chrysler from a Dodge, including price. Thats questionable if you have 8 brands and 20% of the market, but 3 brands and 10%? You'd be hard pressed to find someone who will say thats a good idea. And now they're splitting Dodge into Dodge (cars) and Ram (trucks). It might work, but whats the point? And Jeep ... they'll always survive. Fiat is now what, the 6th owner of that brand? Lets see Willys Overland, AMC, Chrysler, Daimer-Benz, Cerburus, and now Fiat. I may have missed one or two.

What they really need is to get away from making 'interesting' cars and make 'appealing' cars. The Prowler was 'interesting', the Viper is 'interesting', the Challenger is 'interesting' but none of them have much widespread appeal. Sure you can argue they are halo cars, but that only works if you have something decent sitting on the lot for customers to step into as an alternative. The Dodge Caliber just doesn't cut it.

Overall, they hardly represent a decent value let alone a good value. This is reflected in their sales. They've been down ~75% vs 2007 (the last good year) for 2 months in a row. Industry average is about half that. Hopefully an infusion of small car proficancy will really help Chrysler Corp, and arrive in time. Otherwise, they are dead.

And p-nut, the SRT8's make 425 hp not 427.

MrIcky · 11-05-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by tones2SS

Thank you!!

I'm afraid to think what FIAT will do to this sort of truck or the Dodge cars. If there will even be a truck?!? FIAT is talking about "small" cars now!!!:(

Well I can't say for sure, but their chart shows the 5.7 continuing to 2014 and it shows a truck refresh in there. The 6.1 continues to show up on the chart and it looks like they've spun Ram off to take care of it.

It looks like they want to take care of the Jeep core too (Wranglers and Grand Cherokees).

Looks like some of the cars may be where you see a lot of machete's.

As far as transmission problems, I've had a Dodge truck in my driveway of one sort or another since the mid-90s. They've been pretty bulletproof including transmissions. The cars though, I've seen some bad stuff. Except the Charger siblings with the mercedes transmission- I haven't heard too much bad stuff about them.

I tend to like Chevy cars and Dodge trucks I guess

11-05-2009, 02:18 AM	#41
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	I really want to like Dodge/Chrysler. But the best of their line-up is barely competitive. And the worst, well look at the Sebring. Fuel economy is below average, reliability is below average too, styling is hit or miss lately (unfortunately with more misses than hits), though they do alright on features. Beyond sheet metal there is little to differentiate a Chrysler from a Dodge, including price. Thats questionable if you have 8 brands and 20% of the market, but 3 brands and 10%? You'd be hard pressed to find someone who will say thats a good idea. And now they're splitting Dodge into Dodge (cars) and Ram (trucks). It might work, but whats the point? And Jeep ... they'll always survive. Fiat is now what, the 6th owner of that brand? Lets see Willys Overland, AMC, Chrysler, Daimer-Benz, Cerburus, and now Fiat. I may have missed one or two. What they really need is to get away from making 'interesting' cars and make 'appealing' cars. The Prowler was 'interesting', the Viper is 'interesting', the Challenger is 'interesting' but none of them have much widespread appeal. Sure you can argue they are halo cars, but that only works if you have something decent sitting on the lot for customers to step into as an alternative. The Dodge Caliber just doesn't cut it. Overall, they hardly represent a decent value let alone a good value. This is reflected in their sales. They've been down ~75% vs 2007 (the last good year) for 2 months in a row. Industry average is about half that. Hopefully an infusion of small car proficancy will really help Chrysler Corp, and arrive in time. Otherwise, they are dead. And p-nut, the SRT8's make 425 hp not 427. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

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11-04-2009, 02:27 PM	#32
MrIcky Drives: Dodge Ram Megacab & Cobalt SS Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Boise Posts: 1,536	http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/04/l...5-year-busine/

11-04-2009, 02:53 PM	#35
MrIcky Drives: Dodge Ram Megacab & Cobalt SS Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Boise Posts: 1,536	1) They're going to make a t-diesel jeep. Looks like 5 jeep models total 2) They are cutting their offerings in every segment but the very small cars where they go from 0 to 2 and trucks which stay the same until the Dakota drops 3) They are cutting out management and improving line structure 4) They are doing a bunch of corporate double talk about quality 5) Dodge is staying around and making 'lifestyle' products (whatever that means) 6) Challenger is on the chart until 2014 with a 2011 refresh of some sort 7) Some sort of sync competitor coming 8) Some new engines coming, particularly 4s and 6s with some existing engines adapted to multiair for better economy 9) Dodge dakota going bye-bye, possibly a unibody replacement coming (ewww) and a heavy duty commercial van/box cab coming soon. Otherwise Ram brand goes on as is til 2012 refresh 10) Revised retail channel corporate double speak ^There you go, 10 items. Basically same thing evetone else has done.