Electric Vehicles

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Chrome383Z

See how that Kia does on a 60-130 pull. lol

You do realize that nobody buys a Kia anything, gas or electric, for 60-130 mph pulls, right? The whole point is that it does everything it’s design Ed to do and just also happens to be pretty quick.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by 90503

The Bolt is being dropped because of the Ultium battery. The Silverado uses one and the Bolt doesn't.

Interesting concept..."the price ladder overlap"....The lowest priced vehicle will always be at the bottom rung and the first to be eliminated. Great for company profits...not so much for the consumer as witnessed by the end of the Bolt in favor of the higher priced and more profitable Silverado.

Low cost affordable EVs will be a low priority to produce , contrary to what we have been led to believe.

And you know this because….?

I can tell you why I know what I said about the plant conversion. Because I actually talked to someone involved.

As for the price ladder thing? Very common. Especially in a case like this where the lowest price vehicle (Bolt EV or EUV on Gamma platform) costs more to produce than the slightly higher priced vehicle (base Equinox EV). You can’t price the Bolt higher, except the most heavily equipped models, and selling the lower priced versions results in lower profit margins or possibly even a net loss per vehicle sold. The fact that the Bolt batteries are purchased from LG at lower volume than Ultium batteries produced from the JV makes the cost of the batteries higher, so that is how Ultium vs not Ultium enters the discussion. But it is the cost of the vehicle plus the need to transition the plant that are the real decision points.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

You guys do realize there's a replacement inbound for Bolt on Ultium right? It's not like GM is completely abandoning the segment and price point.



This all just seems like typical knee-jerk reactions from people who don't know all the facts.

Originally Posted by 90503

The knee-jerk was gm cancelling the Bolt. Anything "inbound" is likely years away and a 30K Equinox might be in the same "price-point" to gm but not to the customer. The gm customer is viewed as a mushroom...kept in the dark and fed...etc., etc....

I moved from our Forecasting group to our Consulting group over two years ago. One of the companies I did the forecast for was GM. I had Bolt dropping out of the Orion Twp plant and Silverado EV and Sierra EV going into it before I left Forecasting. Hardly a knee-jerk reaction. It looks like a knee-jerk reaction because GM clearly doesn’t speak publicly about their product and facilities plans in advance. If GM had known two years ago that there would be an IRA and that Bolt would qualify at $7,500 the plan may have been constructed differently, but they didn’t and the plan is the plan.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

You do realize that nobody buys a Kia anything, gas or electric, for 60-130 mph pulls, right? The whole point is that it does everything it’s design Ed to do and just also happens to be pretty quick.

Now that the Stinger is gone I think you're right. We certainly didn't buy our Telluride for pulls of any kind.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

You do realize that nobody buys a Kia anything, gas or electric, for 60-130 mph pulls, right? The whole point is that it does everything it’s design Ed to do and just also happens to be pretty quick.

Of course; but the author of that article bragged about being able to blow past muscle cars in their 201 hp Kia EV. Once they start talking like that, then the record needs to be straightened. 0-60 in 6.2 and trapping 94 mph in the 1/4 mile isn’t beating any modern muscle car.

Though I will bet some people buy a Stinger GT to accelerate quickly.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

Now that the Stinger is gone I think you're right. We certainly didn't buy our Telluride for pulls of any kind.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Of course; but the author of that article bragged about being able to blow past muscle cars in their 201 hp Kia EV. Once they start talking like that, then the record needs to be straightened. 0-60 in 6.2 and trapping 94 mph in the 1/4 mile isn’t beating any modern muscle car.

Though I will bet some people buy a Stinger GT to accelerate quickly.

Funny thing about this is that after I posted it I went to Milan Dragway and was lined up behind… a Stinger.

[mariojas]

You can somewhat easily get 450hp 500lbft from Stinger GT... Add AWD to that and you have a street rocket. Just remember it drives like a couch unless you lower it and stiffen up sway bars.
Thing is... It's boring. You smash it and it goes. Even in rain. Even, slightly worse, in snow... It's kind of boring like EV lol
I prefer a bit of RWD fun Looking for traction...

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Funny thing about this is that after I posted it I went to Milan Dragway and was lined up behind… a Stinger.

Ha! Funny.

[lbls1]

Originally Posted by 90503

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Not in the case of the Bolt! It's the lowest priced EV in the US and qualifies for the full 7.5K tax credit. It is at the height of it's popularity and production.

Raw greed to produce more Silverados that "require" the Bolt to be eliminated is a total FU by the automaker. Bolt production should be ramped up. The geniuses at gm didn't know it was on an old platform, or that the plant used to build it was going to be re-purposed? All seemed like a good idea initially! This looks like a corporate disaster for which someone should get fired instead of being portrayed as something planned all along.

The cancelled Bolt is a telling incident. How long did we hear the Camaro would be cancelled due to lack of sales, or would have continued on if it sold better? The opposite was the case with the Bolt. The noble little Bolt will be remembered as the golden egg killed by the greedy goose. For the EV transition, this shows to me again that it is a total scam subsidized by the tax-payer and gm is a willing partner. GM is throwing away a chance to be the hero with the lowest priced EV built in the US. I don't believe they care what any customer thinks. The EV transition will leave you no other choice and be intentionally way more expensive and costly to the public.

Very indicative point. I am not surprised at all. GM has had a history of throwing out car lines that were selling but for one reason or another required additional investment in terms of re-design or re-engineering. They stumble over the fact that by eliminating a car line, they essentially throw away a market segment that will ultimately shop another manufacturer. However, it is also not surprising that GM will not sacrifice Silverado for any other car line. They know enough not to do that. The Silverado is the life blood of the company....period. To alter, change or eliminate the Silverado would mean that GM might as well close its doors. No amount of EV production could equate the profits that GM makes on their large pickups and SUVs.

[mariojas]

Originally Posted by lbls1

Very indicative point. I am not surprised at all. GM has had a history of throwing out car lines that were selling but for one reason or another required additional investment in terms of re-design or re-engineering. They stumble over the fact that by eliminating a car line, they essentially throw away a market segment that will ultimately shop another manufacturer. However, it is also not surprising that GM will not sacrifice Silverado for any other car line. They know enough not to do that. The Silverado is the life blood of the company....period. To alter, change or eliminate the Silverado would mean that GM might as well close its doors. No amount of EV production could equate the profits that GM makes on their large pickups and SUVs.

Like Chevy SS

[Malbjey]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

You do realize that nobody buys a Kia anything, gas or electric, for 60-130 mph pulls, right? The whole point is that it does everything it’s design Ed to do and just also happens to be pretty quick.

Haha, I'm sure people will be doing that in the EV6 GT:


https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/


C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 3.2 sec
100 mph: 8.0 sec
1/4-Mile: 11.6 sec @ 119 mph
130 mph: 14.8 sec
150 mph: 24.1 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 3.4 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 1.7 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 2.2 sec
Top Speed (mfr's claim): 161 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 159 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 335 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.92 g

[Malbjey]

Originally Posted by mariojas

You can somewhat easily get 450hp 500lbft from Stinger GT... Add AWD to that and you have a street rocket. Just remember it drives like a couch unless you lower it and stiffen up sway bars.
Thing is... It's boring. You smash it and it goes. Even in rain. Even, slightly worse, in snow... It's kind of boring like EV lol
I prefer a bit of RWD fun Looking for traction...

Of course it's boring if you have a ZL1, haha.

But seriously yeah it's definitely more of a touring/GT car with a little bit of sporty thrown in.

I think of it (in AWD guise) as a modern Subaru Legacy GT or Mazdaspeed 6. Those were both grown up versions of their sport compact little brothers (WRX and Mazdaspeed 3). They both leaned more on the GT side versus corner carving performance side.

I will likely get some new sway bars for my car. Won't be lowering it though. Too many hills and potholes in my region!

[mariojas]

Originally Posted by Malbjey

Of course it's boring if you have a ZL1, haha.

But seriously yeah it's definitely more of a touring/GT car with a little bit of sporty thrown in.

I think of it (in AWD guise) as a modern Subaru Legacy GT or Mazdaspeed 6. Those were both grown up versions of their sport compact little brothers (WRX and Mazdaspeed 3). They both leaned more on the GT side versus corner carving performance side.

I will likely get some new sway bars for my car. Won't be lowering it though. Too many hills and potholes in my region!

Eibach has nice setup of lowering springs and sway bar for around 800 bucks. I am thinking about it... I will see if my wife behaves, to deserve it

[90503]

Probably nothing to see here...Most likely all going according to plan. Maybe they just need to spend more money on Lyriq TV ads in the meantime.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/report-...liver-new-evs/