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If each vehicle has 1,000 lbs of batteries and 12-15 million vehicles are scraped each year. Will that be net zero too? If I sell my BEV at 110,000 miles, will it have the original batteries still in it? Will it have a comparable residual value as my ICE?
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There is also already a lithium battery remanufacturing industry in place to manage end-of-life for hybrid vehicles that have been in the market for about 20 years. The availability of higher capacity BEV batteries will help grow that industry. If you sell your BEV with only 110K miles it will most likely have the original battery in it unless something happened along the way to physically damage it or it was replaced under warranty. Warranties for batteries are typically 8 years / 100,000 miles. Some automakers have chosen to offer even longer warranties. Can’t answer the residual question. Way out of my swim lane, but I’m sure there are a lot more factors impacting residual than battery or no.
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Melting down ICE drivetrains compared to 12-15 billion pounds of batteries in scraped vehicle each year. Quote:
Including the disposal cost.
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Palmer is correct in saying…. I realize you said ramping up mass production will bring greater efficiency. At this point there is an up front excess to produce BEVs and an unaccounted for end of life impact (consumer and environment)
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Again, as far as residual value, you could just as well be speaking to me in Portuguese. I’d understand it just about as well.
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I know nothing about “John Kerry’s private jet” so I will not comment on that.
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Found this article. Similar topic. Maybe even about the same as the op's link.
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Never heard of this one...another high-end EV...520 units at 169K apiece...lol
https://www.businessinsider.com/luci...-range-2021-11 What a surprise. Another four door sedan...(The dying segment of cars...Unless they are an EV, that is...lol) |
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I have a friend / work colleague who lives a few miles from Lucid’s HQ / Proving Grounds so I guess I get a lot of news on them that way. Lucid is following the Tesla / Hummer model of putting the most expensive products out first to get a jump on paying back some of the investment costs. Like Tesla, they will follow with a number of models in the $40- 80k range. A lot of my ex-coworkers and bosses now have big jobs at EV startup companies. Two of my ex-bosses and one vehicle line executive I used to provide info to are CEOs of EV companies. One of my schoolmates who was also a work colleague is VP of Engineering at another EV maker and two powertrain engineers I used to work with are now VP of engineering at EV companies. Other colleagues are sprinkled around a number of EV makers. We talk. Sometimes over a beer. Sometimes my team is working on consulting projects for some of them. Lucid is actually much later to market than their original plan. Like 2-3 years. That’s probably why they’re launching with a sedan in an SUV world. If the vehicle had launched when intended, Tesla X would have just been coming to market and Tesla S would still be the one to beat. They have at least two new products coming in the next 2-3 years that will hit at the SUV/CUV market. As a startup I think they didn’t have the Planning resources to alert them to how quickly the market was moving away from sedans. That or they just didn’t believe it. The interesting thing is, though, their IPO last week placed them with a market cap that is higher than Honda. Crazy times.
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I was asking about the end of life to understand if the full cycle is being considered when we talk about the efficiency of BEVs. Does seems so… https://www.era-environmental.com/bl...icle-batteries Similar with BEV resale or life expectancy. Will owners be looking at a large expenditure at 110k? …or will the life of a BEV be significantly less than an iCE? I haven’t been interested in BEV so I don’t know, but it does seem as if the entire picture isn’t being presented through those rose colored glasses.
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I still think the shortage is already happening, and its very convenient that it already happened during the "supply chain crisis". |
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