02-03-2021, 03:32 PM | #99 | |
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All $40K plus, huh? VW ID.4 is $32,495 after federal tax credits. BMW i3 base is $36,950 after federal tax credits. Chevrolet Bolt is $32,890 BEFORE federal tax credits with current incentives. Tesla Model 3: SR+ is $37,990 BEFORE federal tax credits. All pricing pulled directly from each manufacturer's website just now. |
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02-03-2021, 03:38 PM | #100 | |
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Isn't it funny? There are plenty of people on this site who paid 40k plus for a car they only use as a weekend toy. |
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02-03-2021, 04:00 PM | #101 |
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https://youtu.be/k_Nt2QPgVVE pretty good commercial.
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02-03-2021, 04:17 PM | #102 |
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Well if its no longer coal then you can believe that Fossil fuels like in the Keystone Pipeline has taken its place. Biden just killed that and wants to go back to foreign oil dependence. Look for skyrocketing fuel prices at the pump heating our homes and higher electricity. Absolutely pathetic.
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02-03-2021, 04:19 PM | #103 | ||
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I am giving MSRP prices, Volkswagen ID.4 comes as edition 1 model in the states in the beginning, with $45,190 MSRP. Cheapest variant is $41,190. AWD version will be $44,890.
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I put the Bolt to showcase the design language of these new EV's, I am aware it is the most affordable option out of the bunch. Should have clarified that. That being said, they are all ugly and inferior to many other ICE options. Why would someone be excited about these prices for inferior products? |
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02-03-2021, 04:21 PM | #105 |
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Are you comparing small econo CUV's with fully optioned sports cars with superior suspension parts, tuning, and performance equipment? I would always take a 40K Camaro V8 over an EV econobox in a base configuration.
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02-03-2021, 04:25 PM | #106 |
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You'd be surprised how many consumers are lining up to reserve a Volkswagen ID.4 that costs 45K and has a range of 250 miles, because they want to be the first people in them so they can show it off to their friends. You can get a Golf GTI for half that price and it will be superior in every way. I don't get people.
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02-03-2021, 04:26 PM | #107 |
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Norwegians eat raw shark meat that’s been fermenting in barns.
This is America. We eat steak and burgers grilled on the grille. Who cares how many electric cars they sell? And that new GM logo is awful. #notmygm |
02-03-2021, 04:35 PM | #108 | |
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The fuel cost will take a while to offset, depending on where you live. But remember, no one cross-shops a Bolt or ID4 with a Camaro or Mustang. Not even a lot of people would cross-shop a Model 3 with a pony car. Different audience entirely. Sent from toaster or something
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Electric sports cars are coming. The cadence has been like:
Right now we are witnessing the 3rd and 4th items playing out. The 5th item starts seeing product in the ‘25-‘26 timeframe.
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Tesla wants to kill sports car competition by making big numbers and wowing naive consumers who are involved in a ____ measuring contest. It will force other manufacturers to make comparable heavy straight line rockets and will kill any affordable sports cars in with other sporty characteristics like being light weight, small, balanced, etc.. I will pray for your friend , though. And anyone else who buys a Tesla. |
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