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[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Here. Learn something


http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/24/f...d-on-the-roug/

I read that already and all I saw were a bunch of measurements and specs and "rah-rah-rah" marketing fluff.... and no actual performance numbers.

Where's the actual performance data???

No turning radius, no turn radius, no approach angle, no departure angle, no maximum water depth it can cross, no maximum grade it can climb or descend, no side grade maximum, etc. NONE of the specs that off road guys compare to determine "capability".

You need to learn something about off roading before you make condescending replies based on marketing.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

I read that already and all I saw were a bunch of measurements and specs and "rah-rah-rah" marketing fluff.... and no actual performance numbers.

Where's the actual performance data???

No turning radius, no turn radius, no approach angle, no departure angle, no maximum water depth it can cross, no maximum grade it can climb or descend, no side grade maximum, etc. NONE of the specs that off road guys compare to determine "capability".

You need to learn something about off roading before you make condescending replies based on marketing.

Here you go...


Quick Specs
Vehicle model: 2010 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor
Base price: $38,995
Engine type: 5.4L EFI V-8 FFV
Valvetrain: SOHC, 3-valves per cylinder, variable camshaft timing
Aspiration: Normal
Mfg.'s hp @ rpm: 320 @ 5,200/310 @ 5,000 (Gas)
Mfg.'s torque (lb-ft) @ rpm: 390 @ 3,500/365 @ 3,500 (Gas)
Transmission: Six-speed automatic Overdrive
Axle ratio: 4.10:1
Transfer case crawl ratio: 44.5:1
Suspension (f/r): Coil-on-shock, long-spindle double-wishbone independent, aluminum lower control arm, forged steel upper arm/Live axle, Hotchkiss-type, leaf springs and outboard shock absorbers
Steering: Power rack-and-pinion
Brakes (f/r): 13.8-inch vented discs / 13.7-inch vented discs
Wheels/Tires: 17x8.5 cast aluminum / LT315/70R17 BF Goodrich All-Terrain T/A
Wheelbase (in): 133
Length (in): 220.9
Width (in): 86.3
Height (in): 78.4
Track (in): 73.6
Curb weight (lb): 5,863
Min ground clearance (in): 9.8
Approach (deg): 29.8
Departure (deg): 26.1
Breakover (deg): 20.8
Max payload capacity (l.): 1,020
Max towing capacity (lb): 6,000
Fuel capacity (gal): 26
EPA mileage estimates (mpg): 14 city/18 highway
Seating capacity: 5

[scrming]

The H3 coupled with a manual tranny and a good set of mud tires is actually a VERY CAPABLE off road vehicle! I know I had one!

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

I read that already and all I saw were a bunch of measurements and specs and "rah-rah-rah" marketing fluff.... and no actual performance numbers.

Where's the actual performance data???

No turning radius, no turn radius, no approach angle, no departure angle, no maximum water depth it can cross, no maximum grade it can climb or descend, no side grade maximum, etc. NONE of the specs that off road guys compare to determine "capability".

You need to learn something about off roading before you make condescending replies based on marketing.

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

Here you go...


Quick Specs
Vehicle model: 2010 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor
Base price: $38,995
Engine type: 5.4L EFI V-8 FFV
Valvetrain: SOHC, 3-valves per cylinder, variable camshaft timing
Aspiration: Normal
Mfg.'s hp @ rpm: 320 @ 5,200/310 @ 5,000 (Gas)
Mfg.'s torque (lb-ft) @ rpm: 390 @ 3,500/365 @ 3,500 (Gas)
Transmission: Six-speed automatic Overdrive
Axle ratio: 4.10:1
Transfer case crawl ratio: 44.5:1
Suspension (f/r): Coil-on-shock, long-spindle double-wishbone independent, aluminum lower control arm, forged steel upper arm/Live axle, Hotchkiss-type, leaf springs and outboard shock absorbers
Steering: Power rack-and-pinion
Brakes (f/r): 13.8-inch vented discs / 13.7-inch vented discs
Wheels/Tires: 17x8.5 cast aluminum / LT315/70R17 BF Goodrich All-Terrain T/A
Wheelbase (in): 133
Length (in): 220.9
Width (in): 86.3
Height (in): 78.4
Track (in): 73.6
Curb weight (lb): 5,863
Min ground clearance (in): 9.8
Approach (deg): 29.8
Departure (deg): 26.1
Breakover (deg): 20.8
Max payload capacity (l.): 1,020
Max towing capacity (lb): 6,000
Fuel capacity (gal): 26
EPA mileage estimates (mpg): 14 city/18 highway
Seating capacity: 5

That good enough for you oh-lord-of-mudd?

BTW a third party review of a product that goes in depth into the development of the vehicle is hardly ''marketing''. Maybe you should brush up on your terminology.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by scrming

The H3 coupled with a manual tranny and a good set of mud tires is actually a VERY CAPABLE off road vehicle! I know I had one!

That really prove's nothing I used to do that in a 91 s10 blazer with street tire's.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by meanmike

That really prove's nothing I used to do that in a 91 s10 blazer with street tire's.

proves that some folks aren't afraid to get their H3 dirty... Trust me, i took my H3 places your street tires would not go... Just hard for me to take pictures while I'm driving! LOL

And what's the approach and departure angle on that S10? LOL

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

Here you go...


Quick Specs
Vehicle model: 2010 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor
Base price: $38,995
Engine type: 5.4L EFI V-8 FFV
Valvetrain: SOHC, 3-valves per cylinder, variable camshaft timing
Aspiration: Normal
Mfg.'s hp @ rpm: 320 @ 5,200/310 @ 5,000 (Gas)
Mfg.'s torque (lb-ft) @ rpm: 390 @ 3,500/365 @ 3,500 (Gas)
Transmission: Six-speed automatic Overdrive
Axle ratio: 4.10:1
Transfer case crawl ratio: 44.5:1
Suspension (f/r): Coil-on-shock, long-spindle double-wishbone independent, aluminum lower control arm, forged steel upper arm/Live axle, Hotchkiss-type, leaf springs and outboard shock absorbers
Steering: Power rack-and-pinion
Brakes (f/r): 13.8-inch vented discs / 13.7-inch vented discs
Wheels/Tires: 17x8.5 cast aluminum / LT315/70R17 BF Goodrich All-Terrain T/A
Wheelbase (in): 133
Length (in): 220.9
Width (in): 86.3
Height (in): 78.4
Track (in): 73.6
Curb weight (lb): 5,863
Min ground clearance (in): 9.8
Approach (deg): 29.8
Departure (deg): 26.1
Breakover (deg): 20.8
Max payload capacity (l.): 1,020
Max towing capacity (lb): 6,000
Fuel capacity (gal): 26
EPA mileage estimates (mpg): 14 city/18 highway
Seating capacity: 5

This is going wayyyy oof topic, but I just wanted to educate you guys about making ludicrous claims and then backing them up with data that proves them ludicrous.

A simple google search before spouting off would have saved you some embarassment....


2009 HUMMER H3 Off-Road Clearances

Turning Circle 37 feet (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

Ground Clearance 32″ tires/33′tires
9.7 in. / 10.5 in. (cRaptor = 9.8")

Approach Angle 32″ tires/33″ tires
37.4 degrees / 39 degrees (cRaptor = 29.8 degrees)

Departure Angle 32″ tires/33″ tires
34.7 degrees / 36.3 degrees (cRaptor = 26.1 degrees)

Breakover Angle 32″ tires/33″ tires
22.1 degrees / 23.7 degrees (cRaptor = 20.8 degrees)

Side Slope Capability
40 percent (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

Grade (upslope) Capability
60 percent (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

5 MPH Water Fording Capability
24 in. (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

20 MPH Water Fording Capability
16 in. (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

Vertical Scaling Capability
16 in. (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)




Glossary

Approach Angle: When viewed from the side, this is the angle between the ground and a line running from the front tire to the lowest-hanging point directly in front of it, which is usually the front bumper. This angle gives an indication of how the vehicle can approach a steep incline and its ability to climb up objects like rocks and other obstacles without damaging the front bumper.

Breakover Angle: This angle is a measurement of a vehicle’s ability to drive over a sharp ridge without touching its underside. The “included” angle measures the angle inside the ramp, and the “excluded” angle measures the included angle to the vehicle’s horizontal. A shorter vehicle with large tires will have the best (largest) breakover angle. Most SUVs run around 20 degrees “excluded” breakover angle.

Departure Angle: The angle between the ground and a line running from the rear tire to the lowest-hanging point directly behind it, which is usually the rear bumper or trailer hitch. Similar to the approach angle, this angle indicates how the vehicle can depart a steep incline and its ability to exit off of rocks and other obstacles without damaging the rear bumper.

Grade (upslope) Capability: The percentage grade of a hill that a truck is capable of driving/climbing up.

Side Slope Capability: The percentage grade of a hill that a truck can traverse.

Water Fording Capability: The depth of water through which the truck can drive.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

This is going wayyyy oof topic, but I just wanted to educate you guys about making ludicrous claims and then backing them up with data that proves them ludicrous.

A simple google search before spouting off would have saved you some embarassment....


2009 HUMMER H3 Off-Road Clearances

Turning Circle 37 feet (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

Ground Clearance 32″ tires/33′tires
9.7 in. / 10.5 in. (cRaptor = 9.8")

Approach Angle 32″ tires/33″ tires
37.4 degrees / 39 degrees (cRaptor = 29.8 degrees)

Departure Angle 32″ tires/33″ tires
34.7 degrees / 36.3 degrees (cRaptor = 26.1 degrees)

Breakover Angle 32″ tires/33″ tires
22.1 degrees / 23.7 degrees (cRaptor = 20.8 degrees)

Side Slope Capability
40 percent (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

Grade (upslope) Capability
60 percent (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

5 MPH Water Fording Capability
24 in. (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

20 MPH Water Fording Capability
16 in. (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

Vertical Scaling Capability
16 in. (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)




Glossary

Approach Angle: When viewed from the side, this is the angle between the ground and a line running from the front tire to the lowest-hanging point directly in front of it, which is usually the front bumper. This angle gives an indication of how the vehicle can approach a steep incline and its ability to climb up objects like rocks and other obstacles without damaging the front bumper.

Breakover Angle: This angle is a measurement of a vehicle’s ability to drive over a sharp ridge without touching its underside. The “included” angle measures the angle inside the ramp, and the “excluded” angle measures the included angle to the vehicle’s horizontal. A shorter vehicle with large tires will have the best (largest) breakover angle. Most SUVs run around 20 degrees “excluded” breakover angle.

Departure Angle: The angle between the ground and a line running from the rear tire to the lowest-hanging point directly behind it, which is usually the rear bumper or trailer hitch. Similar to the approach angle, this angle indicates how the vehicle can depart a steep incline and its ability to exit off of rocks and other obstacles without damaging the rear bumper.

Grade (upslope) Capability: The percentage grade of a hill that a truck is capable of driving/climbing up.

Side Slope Capability: The percentage grade of a hill that a truck can traverse.

Water Fording Capability: The depth of water through which the truck can drive.

Great info!

BTW, I had 33 inch tires... My understanding is if you cranked the torsion bars up in the front you can sneak 35" tires under there...

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

This is going wayyyy oof topic, but I just wanted to educate you guys about making ludicrous claims and then backing them up with data that proves them ludicrous.

A simple google search before spouting off would have saved you some embarassment....


2009 HUMMER H3 Off-Road Clearances

Turning Circle 37 feet (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

Ground Clearance 32″ tires/33′tires
9.7 in. / 10.5 in. (cRaptor = 9.8")

Approach Angle 32″ tires/33″ tires
37.4 degrees / 39 degrees (cRaptor = 29.8 degrees)

Departure Angle 32″ tires/33″ tires
34.7 degrees / 36.3 degrees (cRaptor = 26.1 degrees)

Breakover Angle 32″ tires/33″ tires
22.1 degrees / 23.7 degrees (cRaptor = 20.8 degrees)

Side Slope Capability
40 percent (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

Grade (upslope) Capability
60 percent (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

5 MPH Water Fording Capability
24 in. (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

20 MPH Water Fording Capability
16 in. (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

Vertical Scaling Capability
16 in. (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)




Glossary

Approach Angle: When viewed from the side, this is the angle between the ground and a line running from the front tire to the lowest-hanging point directly in front of it, which is usually the front bumper. This angle gives an indication of how the vehicle can approach a steep incline and its ability to climb up objects like rocks and other obstacles without damaging the front bumper.

Breakover Angle: This angle is a measurement of a vehicle’s ability to drive over a sharp ridge without touching its underside. The “included” angle measures the angle inside the ramp, and the “excluded” angle measures the included angle to the vehicle’s horizontal. A shorter vehicle with large tires will have the best (largest) breakover angle. Most SUVs run around 20 degrees “excluded” breakover angle.

Departure Angle: The angle between the ground and a line running from the rear tire to the lowest-hanging point directly behind it, which is usually the rear bumper or trailer hitch. Similar to the approach angle, this angle indicates how the vehicle can depart a steep incline and its ability to exit off of rocks and other obstacles without damaging the rear bumper.

Grade (upslope) Capability: The percentage grade of a hill that a truck is capable of driving/climbing up.

Side Slope Capability: The percentage grade of a hill that a truck can traverse.

Water Fording Capability: The depth of water through which the truck can drive.

Embarrassed?



http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/index.html



There you go. The fact that the hummer was 45k makes the 38k SVT look like a performance bargain. The only thing wrong with the SVT are the CV joint's, the list of things wrong with the Hummer are significant enough to make it loose out to Nissan, Toyota and a Jeep....

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

This is going wayyyy oof topic, but I just wanted to educate you guys about making ludicrous claims and then backing them up with data that proves them ludicrous.

A simple google search before spouting off would have saved you some embarassment....


2009 HUMMER H3 Off-Road Clearances

Turning Circle 37 feet (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

Ground Clearance 32″ tires/33′tires
9.7 in. / 10.5 in. (cRaptor = 9.8")

Approach Angle 32″ tires/33″ tires
37.4 degrees / 39 degrees (cRaptor = 29.8 degrees)

Departure Angle 32″ tires/33″ tires
34.7 degrees / 36.3 degrees (cRaptor = 26.1 degrees)

Breakover Angle 32″ tires/33″ tires
22.1 degrees / 23.7 degrees (cRaptor = 20.8 degrees)

Side Slope Capability
40 percent (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

Grade (upslope) Capability
60 percent (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

5 MPH Water Fording Capability
24 in. (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

20 MPH Water Fording Capability
16 in. (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)

Vertical Scaling Capability
16 in. (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why)




Glossary

Approach Angle: When viewed from the side, this is the angle between the ground and a line running from the front tire to the lowest-hanging point directly in front of it, which is usually the front bumper. This angle gives an indication of how the vehicle can approach a steep incline and its ability to climb up objects like rocks and other obstacles without damaging the front bumper.

Breakover Angle: This angle is a measurement of a vehicle’s ability to drive over a sharp ridge without touching its underside. The “included” angle measures the angle inside the ramp, and the “excluded” angle measures the included angle to the vehicle’s horizontal. A shorter vehicle with large tires will have the best (largest) breakover angle. Most SUVs run around 20 degrees “excluded” breakover angle.

Departure Angle: The angle between the ground and a line running from the rear tire to the lowest-hanging point directly behind it, which is usually the rear bumper or trailer hitch. Similar to the approach angle, this angle indicates how the vehicle can depart a steep incline and its ability to exit off of rocks and other obstacles without damaging the rear bumper.

Grade (upslope) Capability: The percentage grade of a hill that a truck is capable of driving/climbing up.

Side Slope Capability: The percentage grade of a hill that a truck can traverse.

Water Fording Capability: The depth of water through which the truck can drive.

I'm not going to argue with you on this. However I would put money on the Raptor stock vs stock over the hummer any day. As far as the spot's where you put (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why). You dont think that may have something to do with the fact that it is a brand new truck and has not been tested?

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by meanmike

I'm not going to argue with you on this. However I would put money on the Raptor stock vs stock over the hummer any day. As far as the spot's were you put (cRaptor = Not listed and I wonder why). You dont think that may have something to do with the fact that it is a brand new truck and has not been tested?

Don't go crazy here.... That hummer has better ground clearance... throw it in the Baja!

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Don't go crazy here.... That hummer has better ground clearance... throw it in the Baja!

It may have better ground clearance but I also bet it tip's over easier as well.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by meanmike

It may have better ground clearance but I also bet it tip's over easier as well.

Well we aren't going to look at that.... nor are we going to look at the fact that its over priced (can you even buy one?), has HORRIBLE gas mileage, nor that its massively underpowered. Down nearly 100hp/100lbft to the 2011 SVT Raptor.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Embarrassed?

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/index.html

There you go. The fact that the hummer was 45k makes the 38k SVT look like a performance bargain. The only thing wrong with the SVT are the CV joint's, the list of things wrong with the Hummer are significant enough to make it loose out to Nissan, Toyota and a Jeep....

Blah blah blah....

Do a little research.

Your price "Comparison" is useless. You're comparing the "Alpha" version of the H3. It's a special edition with a premium price. The BASE H3 is only $33,390, and the specs listed for the BASE model make it a far more capable offroad vehicle than the SOL Craptor.

Go back and read the topic. The claim was made that the Craptor was the most capable offroad vehicle ever made.

My point is that by ANY criteria that an offroad person cares about, the lowly I-5 powered H3 Base model runs rings around the Craptor.

Even if the H3 was $100,000 base price, that doesn't change the fact that the Craptor is NOT "the most capable Offroad Vehicle".

Sorry.