BUY AMERICAN!! - Page 3

SSOOCH · 10-09-2009, 03:54 PM

More Americans had jobs building Honda's than Camaros.

I like Scott's ideas but be aware of what you're puffing your chest out at. I love my Camaro, I'm a huge GM and Chevrolet fanboy. But when you flash the fact that you only buy American but then drive a car built by Canadians...you might get an argument. And a valid one at that. But great idea, I'll join. I'm stoked!!

PQ · 10-09-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 1320junkie

GM is an American company, no matter where the car is built or what nationality of the person who designed it, the car represent America's core values.."America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed"...lol...our cars our made from many differents parts from all over...just like the people who make up America..and unless you are a Native American...we all have origins from somewhere else

I came from Neptune.

So then we stay away from Wal-Mart then?

SSOOCH · 10-09-2009, 03:59 PM

And before anybody gives me any s***...

1320junkie · 10-09-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PQ

I came from Neptune.

So then we stay away from Wal-Mart then?

Im from a place called Tatooine in a galaxy far far away

PQ · 10-09-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 1320junkie

Im from a place called Tatooine in a galaxy far far away

Ahhhhhh, I heard of this place. Funny animals and the locals are kinda weird.

manimsoblack · 10-09-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Xanthos

Some of us more than others. My family came here less than 3 generations ago (my great grandpa and his family immigrated from Germany during the WWII era).
- X

P.S. - But it amounts to the same thing in the end.

1st gen here

5thGenCamaroChick · 10-09-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jrboyd_1980

But if you get technical with that, then Toyota, BMW, and Honda would be considered American Cars because they have plants in U.S.?

True, but are foreign cars that are manufactured in the US produced for export back to their country of origin or solely for US consumption?

2ndgenz28 · 10-09-2009, 05:30 PM

Kinda funny just caught a news show a few days back on CBC that Canada is trying to get put on the exempt list of the buy American campaign.

Here it is, any company that gets our tax money to fix their business, must spend that money with an American company. Or so they are trying pass said new rules.

Well Canada doesn’t want that. They want to share in the wealth of the free US tax dollars. So they can under bid the US companies and reap the benefits.

US company gets billions in free US tax dollars to build their business, US tax man figures what they need by what it cost here. Then said companies outsource the jobs and materials to Canada or Mexico to skim that excess off the top.

How in the heck is that gonna help create job and get the US out of the hole if we let Canada be exempt to undercut us???

Number 3 · 10-09-2009, 06:34 PM

1st, Dragoneye, I love that Avatar.

2nd, Junkie is hitting the key point. I always say follow the money.

Even when GM brings a car in from Korea or Australia, the control of the money and what gets done with the money is here in the U.S. That is important. Yes a Hyundai, Honda or Toyota factory brings jobs here to the U.S. But that's it. The creating and inventing takes those dollars back to the Japan or Korea (and someday China) where the Hi Tech (Engineering/R&D/etc.) jobs remain.

Someday, perhaps, Americans will demand that their products be manufactured here. We could, but Americans are hooked on the deal. That is why Wallmart works so well. We want our "freedom of choice" and the lowest price.

If you go to Germany, they are willing to pay a premium to buy German made. It keeps their countrymen and women working and they believe that they get a better product if it is made by Germans. That may or may not be true, but they believe it to the core.

And as for "where the money goes", ask any American woman if she would buy a car from GM if a female worker was expected to quit when she got married. You would have a national uproar. But in Japan it is EXPECTED. The woman would be now supported by the man she married and further she would be taking the job of a man trying to ultimately support his family. I'm not judging this as bad or good, but I know that no American woman would tolerate it from GM, Ford or Chrysler. But they will sure buy a Honda or Toyota.

My late father tried for years to buy only gifts that were made in America. He ultimately broke down and just bought what he wanted to give as there simply wasn't anything to choose from.

For me, I like to say it started with socks. We had a very nice textile industry in this country once, in my lifetime. But we had to save .50 on a pair of socks, so we sent that industry and it's jobs off shore.

All we have to do as Americans is DEMAND where our products are made. I will assure you that the reason GM, Ford and Chrysler had to go offshore to get some components was only to be competitive with the imports. GM would have gone out of business years ago if they had tried to stand on "100% made in the U.S.A.".

Sadly it doesn't matter to us as a society.

I hope there is a ground swell of support, Scott.

And sorry, Scott, but you pushed my hot button.

5thGenCamaroChick · 10-09-2009, 08:43 PM

So I wonder how much more it would have cost GM to produce the Camaro in the US and, ultimately, how much more the car would have cost us consumers? Anybody have any idea?

*Mr. Wyndham* · 10-09-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PQ

So then we stay away from Wal-Mart then?

If you have any integrity; then yes.

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Originally Posted by Number 3

1st, Dragoneye, I love that Avatar.

Thank you! It was a V22 Osprey...but I felt that was more like an Equinox, and I wanted something...faster.

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Originally Posted by Number 3

2nd, Junkie is hitting the key point. I always say follow the money.

Even when GM brings a car in from Korea or Australia, the control of the money and what gets done with the money is here in the U.S. That is important. Yes a Hyundai, Honda or Toyota factory brings jobs here to the U.S. But that's it. The creating and inventing takes those dollars back to the Japan or Korea (and someday China) where the Hi Tech (Engineering/R&D/etc.) jobs remain.

Someday, perhaps, Americans will demand that their products be manufactured here. We could, but Americans are hooked on the deal. That is why Wallmart works so well. We want our "freedom of choice" and the lowest price.

If you go to Germany, they are willing to pay a premium to buy German made. It keeps their countrymen and women working and they believe that they get a better product if it is made by Germans. That may or may not be true, but they believe it to the core.

And as for "where the money goes", ask any American woman if she would buy a car from GM if a female worker was expected to quit when she got married. You would have a national uproar. But in Japan it is EXPECTED. The woman would be now supported by the man she married and further she would be taking the job of a man trying to ultimately support his family. I'm not judging this as bad or good, but I know that no American woman would tolerate it from GM, Ford or Chrysler. But they will sure buy a Honda or Toyota.

My late father tried for years to buy only gifts that were made in America. He ultimately broke down and just bought what he wanted to give as there simply wasn't anything to choose from.

For me, I like to say it started with socks. We had a very nice textile industry in this country once, in my lifetime. But we had to save .50 on a pair of socks, so we sent that industry and it's jobs off shore.

All we have to do as Americans is DEMAND where our products are made. I will assure you that the reason GM, Ford and Chrysler had to go offshore to get some components was only to be competitive with the imports. GM would have gone out of business years ago if they had tried to stand on "100% made in the U.S.A.".

Sadly it doesn't matter to us as a society.

I hope there is a ground swell of support, Scott.

And sorry, Scott, but you pushed my hot button.

. Manufacturing costs are less than 10% of a vehicles cost. And hourly pay is a fraction of that percentage. So even if your heart bleeds for that US worker in the Honda plant (and you're a good person if it does) -- he/she's a drop in the bucket...you're supporting Honda in Japan far more than you are supporting that worker....far more.

This exporting jobs phenomenon It is the result of the "free market". We have our choice, and we made the wrong ones...To be frank (and I don't say this often at all, because I love the USA): I am absolutely disgusted at the "I want it cheap" mindset that has gripped the nation. I blame it on a few things...but none I want to get into here. PM me if you really care what I have to say...

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Originally Posted by 5thGenCamaroChick

So I wonder how much more it would have cost GM to produce the Camaro in the US and, ultimately, how much more the car would have cost us consumers? Anybody have any idea?

Number 3 can answer this better than I, but it's hard to say. There were a couple reasons that Oshawa got the Camaro. One of them was competitive costs vs the competing plant in the US (there was one bidding for the job). And another was the fact that Oshawa is one of their best plants in the world -- it's quite the selling point.

shank0668 · 10-09-2009, 10:11 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...8361953747265#

2ndgenz28 · 10-09-2009, 11:59 PM

Oshawa got the Camaro cause of the Candian UAW, they wouldn't let GM weezle out of it.They made deals a long time ago to only build the fbody line there.

Number 3 · 10-11-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28

Oshawa got the Camaro cause of the Candian UAW, they wouldn't let GM weezle out of it.They made deals a long time ago to only build the fbody line there.

Yep, that deal was done when they shut down Gen 4 production. Any Camaro after would be built by the CAW.

10-09-2009, 03:54 PM	#29
SSOOCH Camaro SL,UTs Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS #16429 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South Jordan, UT Posts: 7,357 View My Garage	More Americans had jobs building Honda's than Camaros. I like Scott's ideas but be aware of what you're puffing your chest out at. I love my Camaro, I'm a huge GM and Chevrolet fanboy. But when you flash the fact that you only buy American but then drive a car built by Canadians...you might get an argument. And a valid one at that. But great idea, I'll join. I'm stoked!! __________________

10-09-2009, 03:59 PM	#31
SSOOCH Camaro SL,UTs Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS #16429 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South Jordan, UT Posts: 7,357 View My Garage	And before anybody gives me any s***... Attached Images __________________

10-09-2009, 06:34 PM	#37
Number 3 Hail to the King baby! Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,301 View My Garage	1st, Dragoneye, I love that Avatar. 2nd, Junkie is hitting the key point. I always say follow the money. Even when GM brings a car in from Korea or Australia, the control of the money and what gets done with the money is here in the U.S. That is important. Yes a Hyundai, Honda or Toyota factory brings jobs here to the U.S. But that's it. The creating and inventing takes those dollars back to the Japan or Korea (and someday China) where the Hi Tech (Engineering/R&D/etc.) jobs remain. Someday, perhaps, Americans will demand that their products be manufactured here. We could, but Americans are hooked on the deal. That is why Wallmart works so well. We want our "freedom of choice" and the lowest price. If you go to Germany, they are willing to pay a premium to buy German made. It keeps their countrymen and women working and they believe that they get a better product if it is made by Germans. That may or may not be true, but they believe it to the core. And as for "where the money goes", ask any American woman if she would buy a car from GM if a female worker was expected to quit when she got married. You would have a national uproar. But in Japan it is EXPECTED. The woman would be now supported by the man she married and further she would be taking the job of a man trying to ultimately support his family. I'm not judging this as bad or good, but I know that no American woman would tolerate it from GM, Ford or Chrysler. But they will sure buy a Honda or Toyota. My late father tried for years to buy only gifts that were made in America. He ultimately broke down and just bought what he wanted to give as there simply wasn't anything to choose from. For me, I like to say it started with socks. We had a very nice textile industry in this country once, in my lifetime. But we had to save .50 on a pair of socks, so we sent that industry and it's jobs off shore. All we have to do as Americans is DEMAND where our products are made. I will assure you that the reason GM, Ford and Chrysler had to go offshore to get some components was only to be competitive with the imports. GM would have gone out of business years ago if they had tried to stand on "100% made in the U.S.A.". Sadly it doesn't matter to us as a society. I hope there is a ground swell of support, Scott. And sorry, Scott, but you pushed my hot button. __________________ "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley

10-09-2009, 08:43 PM	#38
5thGenCamaroChick Hey y'all :) Drives: Rosalee Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Southeast TN Posts: 437	So I wonder how much more it would have cost GM to produce the Camaro in the US and, ultimately, how much more the car would have cost us consumers? Anybody have any idea? __________________ "Are you picking up what I'm laying down? Can you dig what I'm growing?"

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10-09-2009, 05:30 PM	#36
2ndgenz28 Thread Killer Drives: All Black Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NWO Toledo Area Posts: 4,720	Kinda funny just caught a news show a few days back on CBC that Canada is trying to get put on the exempt list of the buy American campaign. Here it is, any company that gets our tax money to fix their business, must spend that money with an American company. Or so they are trying pass said new rules. Well Canada doesn’t want that. They want to share in the wealth of the free US tax dollars. So they can under bid the US companies and reap the benefits. US company gets billions in free US tax dollars to build their business, US tax man figures what they need by what it cost here. Then said companies outsource the jobs and materials to Canada or Mexico to skim that excess off the top. How in the heck is that gonna help create job and get the US out of the hole if we let Canada be exempt to undercut us???

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2ndgenz28 Thread Killer Drives: All Black Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NWO Toledo Area Posts: 4,720	Oshawa got the Camaro cause of the Candian UAW, they wouldn't let GM weezle out of it.They made deals a long time ago to only build the fbody line there.