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02-14-2018, 05:56 AM | #73 | |
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I agree that we are depleteing our resources, but I also dont see EVs as the answer. They lie with every cellphone they sell us. Every time a new one comes out they tells us about the battery being better. With owning a serviced based business I buy a lot of phones. I cant say Ive seen a noticeable impovement in battery life or reliability. They tell us the batteries will last longer and things seem great for about a year, then it hits. Battery illness. You want that with your car too? I could talk about this all day, but I need to get into my DURAMAX or maybe just my 6.2L gas Superduty and go make money to prepare for Elon and the government to take more. Can't wait for him to be handed the space program too. That will create entire other set of issues. |
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02-14-2018, 08:17 AM | #74 | |
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I've seen huge increases in battery life from what was in production 20 years ago, I run LED lights on Li Ion batteries at night for hours on end. Phones that last all day using various features, etc. Of course, we always seem to find new ways to drain them, but that doesn't mean the capacity is going up. Tiny little batteries the size of your fist turning over massive lycoming IO-540 engines. I believe you are terrified of the future because it will be different. People felt the same way about the horseless carriage.
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02-14-2018, 08:37 AM | #75 | |
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02-14-2018, 09:20 AM | #76 | |
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I'm guessing people had the same concerns about oil when autos were 1st introduced but most soon weaned themselves from using animals for transportation and didn't regret the change. Time change and so do most folks. |
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02-14-2018, 09:31 AM | #77 |
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The last big battery bump we've had was the change from NiMH to Li-Ion...since then, changes and improvements have been incremental to keep up with increased processing demands in devices like phones and computers, but nothing so dramatic as that chemical transition.
Currently, the single biggest impact on battery life is available, physical space...the more cells you can pack into an area, the longer charge you will have. The difference in technology today vs 20 years ago, or even 10 years ago is staggering. I am hopeful that the next big jump in battery technology is around the corner. Li-Ion is not the final solution...but I don't know what is. This is an image I love to show people (particularly my high school Tech classes) to demonstrate the strides battery tech has made. On the right, is the battery pack out of an EV1, circa 1997. 16kWh, Lead-Acid composition, total vehicle range about 120 miles (on a good day). To the left is the battery pack out of an Volt, circa 2011. 17.1 kWh, Li-Ion composition, total electric range of about 50 miles, however, they never ran the battery down past 50% charge for longevity purposes. So...approximately the same charge capacity...but less than half the size, and ⅓ the weight. And this is what GM's "battery family" looks like today...from left to right is a first-gen Volt, second-gen Volt, Spark EV, and Bolt. |
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02-15-2018, 05:15 AM | #79 | |
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I have very little faith that anyone is trying to help the greater good anymore over just thinking about themselves. Just the simple fact that nothing is built to last anymore shows me that. We pay three times more for crap that you throw out in two years and then buy another one. My guys changed out a furnace yesterday that was 47 years old operating in a commercial environment. It still ran. The issue was the blower bearings were shot and replacements where not available. The new furnace we put in is good by today's standards, but it wont be there in 47 years. It will be lucky to make it half of that. I know this thread went south with my comment about Elon putting his trash into space, but it has been quit informative and interesting. I do appreciate all your comments and replies to my views of this. I'll ponder on them today while I have my guys out keeping people warm, their water hot, their food cold and their ability to process and cook it working. There are a lot of fossil fuels involved with all of those processes. Are they all going to change to electricity or run off batteries too? Wow! That's alot of power usage. Lol Dont you just love the idea of having all your eggs in one basket? I dont. That is a recipe for failure every time. |
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02-16-2018, 12:38 AM | #82 | |
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As far as using electric for everything, some houses do, some houses use gas, doesn't seem to be an issue. I lived in a rural area growing up where the power would sometimes go out, and we would use the wood stove. I don't think any of those things are changing. Most of us would be just as screwed if the gas was turned off for some reason. I think I'm going to pick up an electric chainsaw for clearing trails this year, is it a replacement for gas for sawing through cords and cords of wood? Not yet, but the technology of electric motors and batteries has advanced far enough to make this practical for purposes that would have required a gas one a few years ago, and that's the slow march towards electric.
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02-16-2018, 07:10 AM | #83 | |
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"Solid-state batteries are...expensive to make, and is noted to be immune to economies of scale. It is estimated in 2012 that based on then-current technology, a 20Ah solid-state battery cell would cost US$100,000, and a high-range electric car would require 800 to 1,000 of such cells..." Seems like we might be waiting a few more years until solid-state batteries comes out with any success. Even with the massive development companies are pouring into it...EVs with Lithium Ion batteries are expensive compared to a similar-sized ICE car, as it is. |
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