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[Zeus]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

I myself don't consider the Charger a muscle car. It's a 4-door car with a powerful engine. If you count the Charger, you will need to put the new Taurus on your list of muscle cars as well.

Taurus only has a V6, should we add the G Sedan too?


The Charger is very much a muscle car. Have you ever driven one? It feels more like a real muscle car than the new Mustangs.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Taurus only has a V6, should we add the G Sedan too?

The Charger is very much a muscle car. Have you ever driven one? It feels more like a real muscle car than the new Mustangs.

You're the one who put a 4-door car in the equation, not me. I don't consider ANY 4-door cars muscle cars. Some are fast, yes, but imo they are not muscle cars.

Also, ReefBlue said this :"I can't remember a time when Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge all had a full production, affordable to most, muscle car on the market at the same time."

You laughed at him and said "Charger GTO Mustang". Fyi, Pontiac made the GTO, not Chevrolet.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I somewhat agree. It's still a muscle car considering it's a charger, but they completely messed up the exterior styling with the front end and the 4-door BS.

I've always felt Dodge really messed up with the new Charger. They kinda rushed the Challenger into production to ride the retro wave Ford created with the s197 Mustangs. Why didn't they make the Charger a 2-door retro styled muscle car instead of a 4-door car with a HEMI option? Considering they already had the 300, why the need for two 4-door HEMI available cars at the same time, yet no available 2-door HEMI available cars until a few years later when the Challengers were offered?

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

You're the one who put a 4-door car in the equation, not me. I don't consider ANY 4-door cars muscle cars. Some are fast, yes, but imo they are not muscle cars.

Also, ReefBlue said this :"I can't remember a time when Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge all had a full production, affordable to most, muscle car on the market at the same time."

You laughed at him and said "Charger GTO Mustang". Fyi, Pontiac made the GTO, not Chevrolet.

A. The Charger and the Taurus was a bad example because you can't get the Taurus with a big hemi V8. How fast the car is, is irrelevant for terms of this comparison.

B. Yes... Pontiac made the GTO, but GM owns Chevy and Pontiac. So I took it a step further and Made it GM vs. Dodge vs. Ford

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by Zeus

A. The Charger and the Taurus was a bad example because you can't get the Taurus with a big hemi V8. How fast the car is, is irrelevant for terms of this comparison.

Ok, so by your standard the Crown Vic and the Caprice are muscle cars, right???

Just out of curiosity, how do you define a "muscle car"?

Originally Posted by Zeus

B. Yes... Pontiac made the GTO, but GM owns Chevy and Pontiac. So I took it a step further and Made it GM vs. Dodge vs. Ford

Well if your going to change what the guy said, it's kind of ridiculous to laugh at the statement he actually made.

[mjf6866]

i think dodge realized they messed up using the charger name after so many mopar die hards complained about the 4-doors and the fact that the front end looks like it came off one of the trucks (the srt's do look better than the r/t charger though). i think thats why they went as retro as they did with the challenger. who knows if the challenger would even exist if people didnt complain as much as they did.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I somewhat agree. It's still a muscle car considering it's a charger, but they completely messed up the exterior styling with the front end and the 4-door BS.

I don't think the Charger is a muscle car either. It's a family sedan with a big V8.

Not all muscle cars have to be coupe's (I like to pronounce it coopay). However, the Charger a muscle car is not. You might as well call the Chrysler 300 a muscle car too

At the time the retro craze started up with that Mustang...the Charger had probably been in development for quite some time. Ford gambled on a retro design and won big and GM and Dodge were playing catchup.

I'm now hearing rumor that if Chrysler survives they'll be offering a retro coupe' Charger.

[rickerda]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

I don't think the Charger is a muscle car either. It's a family sedan with a big V8.

Not all muscle cars have to be coupe's (I like to pronounce it coopay). However, the Charger a muscle car is not. You might as well call the Chrysler 300 a muscle car too

At the time the retro craze started up with that Mustang...the Charger had probably been in development for quite some time. Ford gambled on a retro design and won big and GM and Dodge were playing catchup.

I'm now hearing rumor that if Chrysler survives they'll be offering a retro coupe' Charger.

"You might as well call the Chrysler 300 a muscle car too" some people do.

What about the Impala SS and 409s?

Good luck defining the term Muscle Car.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Ok, so by your standard the Crown Vic and the Caprice are muscle cars, right???

Why do they have Hemi's too?

Just out of curiosity, how do you define a "muscle car"?

American car (not truck), Big V8, RWD.


Well if your going to change what the guy said, it's kind of ridiculous to laugh at the statement he actually made.

Its ridiculous to think the Taurus is a muscle car.

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

I don't think the Charger is a muscle car either. It's a family sedan with a big V8.

Not all muscle cars have to be coupe's (I like to pronounce it coopay). However, the Charger a muscle car is not. You might as well call the Chrysler 300 a muscle car too

At the time the retro craze started up with that Mustang...the Charger had probably been in development for quite some time. Ford gambled on a retro design and won big and GM and Dodge were playing catchup.

I'm now hearing rumor that if Chrysler survives they'll be offering a retro coupe' Charger.

That would be sweet, but I cant see them justifying competing with themselves unless this charger is going to appeal to a different crowd than the Challenger...

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Zeus

That would be sweet, but I cant see them justifying competing with themselves unless this charger is going to appeal to a different crowd than the Challenger...

Yeah, who knows. I read three articles Friday saying Chrysler wouldn't last another year.

I'd love for Dodge to offer two coupe' muscle cars. Capitalize while ya can.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Yeah, who knows. I read three articles Friday saying Chrysler wouldn't last another year.

I'd love for Dodge to offer two coupe' muscle cars. Capitalize while ya can.

True lol

But for them to come out with a car within a year, they would end up using the same platform and it would just be another whale in the water. I'd rather they engineer a new platform and come out with a 3200lb Charger with 450hp

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Zeus

True lol

But for them to come out with a car within a year, they would end up using the same platform and it would just be another whale in the water. I'd rather they engineer a new platform and come out with a 3200lb Charger with 450hp

Wow, you and me both.

I'm actually considering a 426 in my Challenger to get the whale moving with a little more giddyup.

[a_Username]

You took yours to the track yet speedy?

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by a_Username

You took yours to the track yet speedy?

No....no track time yet. I've never even tried it.