Tape of Man Shooting Intruders - Page 3

*TAG UR IT* · 08-01-2008, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by swazworth

but on the other hand i'm glad he got off too. hopefully that ruling will set a precedent for the country and not just texas.

The only part that concerns me are those that take it too far....

"he came on my property knocking at my door at 9pm and I was worried for my safety. I didn't know WHO was at my door at that time of night!"

Or, you call someone over whom you've been having problems with. They are let into your house and BOOM! They're dead and you're telling police that person broke into your home, attacked you, and you believed your life was in danger.

Oh, boy....hopefully it WILL set a precedent and hopefully people WON'T try to manipulate the system.

hollyt · 08-01-2008, 06:25 AM

In New York city if you Kill an intruder and have an avenue of escape and do not take it. Even if you are threatened with bodily harm you will be charged with murder.

theholycow · 08-01-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

Our city DA was on tv a couple weeks ago talking about this. She appeared VERY happy of the court case outcome and basically told all BURGLARS that a drawback of their job is the possibility of death....and to watch out because if you break into someones house, you may find yourself DOA.

It's things like that which make me think I may eventually end up in Texas.

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Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

The only part that concerns me are those that take it too far....

"he came on my property knocking at my door at 9pm and I was worried for my safety. I didn't know WHO was at my door at that time of night!"

Or, you call someone over whom you've been having problems with. They are let into your house and BOOM! They're dead and you're telling police that person broke into your home, attacked you, and you believed your life was in danger.

That's a valid concern, and I'm not sure how that problem can be avoided. I suspect that the total quantity of innocent dead people would be reduced compared to lame or nonexistent Castle Doctrines.

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Originally Posted by hollyt

In New York city if you Kill an intruder and have an avenue of escape and do not take it. Even if you are threatened with bodily harm you will be charged with murder.

Lame! Even in liberal RI, you don't have to retreat even if you can.
http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/Statute...1-8/11-8-8.HTM

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[...] There shall be no duty on the part of an owner, tenant, or occupier to retreat from any person engaged in the commission of any criminal offense enumerated in §§ 11-8-2 – 11-8-6.

Stand Your Ground law FTW!

Eisenhower · 08-01-2008, 11:39 AM

I think that the neighbor was wrong for poppin' those thugs. It wasn't a matter of self defense here. I'm not saying those guys should have gotten away either, but he did the right thing by calling the cops.

Hmm, I don't know... seems like a scary situation to be backed by the law. I mean, hypothetical situation here. If someone doesn't look familiar to me and I see them walking out of someone's house, does that give me the right to blow their head off? Just seems like this can easily be misconstrued.

At the same time, if crooks know that the folks in a certain neighborhood will blast you for criminal activity, then they might think twice before breaking and entering.

Texas is rough...

TRIXXTERR · 08-01-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by drivingincamaro

god i wonder what that one robber (the one that got away) was thinking after the guy shot two of his friends i would be tramatized (spelling)

Who Got Away?? As far as I Know/heard There was only The Two. The Two Guys He Shot..Of which Niether survived..

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Originally Posted by Eisenhower

I think that the neighbor was wrong for poppin' those thugs. It wasn't a matter of self defense here. I'm not saying those guys should have gotten away either, but he did the right thing by calling the cops.

Hmm, I don't know... seems like a scary situation to be backed by the law. I mean, hypothetical situation here. If someone doesn't look familiar to me and I see them walking out of someone's house, does that give me the right to blow their head off? Just seems like this can easily be misconstrued.
Texas is rough...

WEll In Particular instance.The Neighbor was out of town, He knew This AND that No-one was Suppsed to be there..
BUT i see your point. and i have a counter point..
IF Given a similar situation, IE. An unxepected visitor While away for vacation. I would hope My Neighbor would do something..AND if who-ever was authorized to be at my house then i would really hope they wouldnt be taking stuff OUT THROUGH A WINDOW. And run when confronted..

I Think the CASTLE DOCTRINE is a great thing..I Do Agree With TAG, I hope People dont try to manipulate the system.(WE ALL KNOW THEY WILL).
Oh And Yeah With The A$$hole Friends Some Of My Former Neighbors Had I Got TO The Point Of Answering The Door With 9mm In Hand. Really Cant Be TOO Safe in this day and Time.

I Remember when i was a kid we hardly ever locked our doors..now days if you did that people would clear out everything in a matter of mins..

MerF · 08-01-2008, 08:51 PM

First and foremost, I love this story and Texas' legal stance on it. Bravo.

Off-topic, but TRIXXTERR, you have the strangests punctuation I've seen lately with your random capitalization of letters throughout your post. How and why are you doing that?

NOODLESgoneWILD · 08-01-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by z28camaro2471

Guns aren't the problem. People who legally possess firearms use them as intended. It's the idiots who get their guns illegally that are the problem.

I don't want to sound like a member of the NRA, because I'm not, but a gun has never killed or injured someone without human intervention. I know this oversimplifies a complex issue, but nonetheless it is true.

If someone were to break into my house, I would rather they end up dead than have the chance to harm my family.

^ AMEN TO THAT ^ +1

*The_Blur* · 08-01-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gtahvit

So, what countries are safer. Great britan has a "no gun" policy and their murder and violent crime rates are much higher than ours nationally.

It is arguable that our right to carry guns does make us a safer country. However it doesn't make us completely safe.

Actually, the US murder rate is ridiculous. The US violence rape per capita is much lower than Britain's, but the US murder rate is very high for any first world country.

Guns are not the only reason for this.

*GTAHVIT* · 08-01-2008, 11:05 PM

I'm still thinking that Great Britain still has higher violent crime rates.

Now the weapon of choice in the UK has shifted from guns to knives... Criminals adapting, imagine that.

Anyway, I'm having trouble finding the article that has the stats...

Below is the FBI report for last year.

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/jan08/ucr_s...ics010708.html

This is a pretty cool one. It's murder rates only. But it does show that the U.S. has more murders per capita then the UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

This one seems like it's the one I need but I get an error when it loads. If anyone can view it, there is a link in the third paragraph, "Here are some other statistics." I think this is the one that breaks down the crime rates.

http://wheelgun.blogspot.com/2007/01...ime-in-us.html

I may need to use Firefox...

I'm still pretty sure the violent crime rates in the UK are higher per capita. But, I can't back it up.

Edit: And yes, I think the gun issue is separate but related.

The_Beast_ · 08-01-2008, 11:10 PM

I think Sweden or One of the other Netherland countries has a higher one than that of the US. I learned that watching No Reservations!

*Mr. Wyndham* · 08-01-2008, 11:49 PM

A gun is nothing more than a tool. And like all tools; a gun can be misused....but someone has to do the misusing..........

Beelzebubba · 08-06-2008, 08:44 AM

Being a burglar is a dangerous occupation. You could get shot.

angie1313 · 08-06-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by gtahvit

So, what countries are safer. Great britan has a "no gun" policy and their murder and violent crime rates are much higher than ours nationally.

It is arguable that our right to carry guns does make us a safer country. However it doesn't make us completely safe.

and you know what? You'll never be 100% safe....that's just life. guns or no guns

*Mr. Wyndham* · 08-06-2008, 10:34 AM

But what is "safe"?

The total elimination of harmful opposition?
Or is it having the ability and means to protect yourself from such opposition?

08-01-2008, 11:05 PM	#37
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,441 View My Garage	I'm still thinking that Great Britain still has higher violent crime rates. Now the weapon of choice in the UK has shifted from guns to knives... Criminals adapting, imagine that. Anyway, I'm having trouble finding the article that has the stats... Below is the FBI report for last year. http://www.fbi.gov/page2/jan08/ucr_s...ics010708.html This is a pretty cool one. It's murder rates only. But it does show that the U.S. has more murders per capita then the UK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate This one seems like it's the one I need but I get an error when it loads. If anyone can view it, there is a link in the third paragraph, "Here are some other statistics." I think this is the one that breaks down the crime rates. http://wheelgun.blogspot.com/2007/01...ime-in-us.html I may need to use Firefox... I'm still pretty sure the violent crime rates in the UK are higher per capita. But, I can't back it up. Edit: And yes, I think the gun issue is separate but related. __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

08-01-2008, 11:49 PM	#39
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	A gun is nothing more than a tool. And like all tools; a gun can be misused....but someone has to do the misusing.......... __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

08-06-2008, 10:34 AM	#42
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	But what is "safe"? The total elimination of harmful opposition? Or is it having the ability and means to protect yourself from such opposition? __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

08-01-2008, 06:25 AM	#30
hollyt Drives: 2003 corvette Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 30	In New York city if you Kill an intruder and have an avenue of escape and do not take it. Even if you are threatened with bodily harm you will be charged with murder.

08-01-2008, 11:39 AM	#32
Eisenhower I drank what? Drives: DANGEROUSLY Join Date: May 2007 Location: check your back seat... Posts: 416	I think that the neighbor was wrong for poppin' those thugs. It wasn't a matter of self defense here. I'm not saying those guys should have gotten away either, but he did the right thing by calling the cops. Hmm, I don't know... seems like a scary situation to be backed by the law. I mean, hypothetical situation here. If someone doesn't look familiar to me and I see them walking out of someone's house, does that give me the right to blow their head off? Just seems like this can easily be misconstrued. At the same time, if crooks know that the folks in a certain neighborhood will blast you for criminal activity, then they might think twice before breaking and entering. Texas is rough...

08-01-2008, 08:51 PM	#34
MerF Go Rays! Drives: 03 Trailblazer Join Date: May 2007 Location: St Pete, Florida Posts: 2,532	First and foremost, I love this story and Texas' legal stance on it. Bravo. Off-topic, but TRIXXTERR, you have the strangests punctuation I've seen lately with your random capitalization of letters throughout your post. How and why are you doing that?

08-06-2008, 08:44 AM	#40
Beelzebubba cheap plastic member Drives: Mazda6s Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Arlington Posts: 216	Being a burglar is a dangerous occupation. You could get shot.