Why so much Camaro 6th gen bashing on article comments?

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by 90503

All the features listed as being in Dodge and Mustang's favor, as well as being outperformed by Camaro, was the same situation with the 5thGen Camaro compared to the Mustang and Dodge.

The 5thGen Camaro, with all those same "deficiencies" of visibility, trunk, rear passenger seating compared to Dodge and Mustang, still outsold all of them.

The 6th Gen is even a better performance car than the 5th. Blame it on visibility, trunk and rear seats if you want, but those very same things did not hurt the 5thGen sales at all. So what gives?

Because the 5th gen Camaro was novel. And the Mustang has narrowed the gap, performance-wise (engine power, IRS, etc.). The 6th gen Camaro looks like a refreshed 5th gen, whereas the 6th gen S550 Mustang looks quite different than the S197. Then add in the worse visibility and slightly lower practicality, and less safety tech. options, less iconic name, polarizing styling, and it adds up.

Most of the people bashing don't own a Camaro or a Mustang. So I'd wager they are simply going off of what they've read on C&D or MT, etc.

[sandm]

Originally Posted by 90503

The 5thGen Camaro, with all those same "deficiencies" of visibility, trunk, rear passenger seating compared to Dodge and Mustang, still outsold all of them.

all imo but.....

the 5th gen camaro outsold the mustang for the first few years due to pent up demand. since the camaro 5th gen was the re-introduction sales flew BUT as demand caught up and those that had wanted a camaro got one, sales once again stagnated like it has over a larger % of the camaro vs stang years.

check out this chart:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...-living-color/

google 2015-2020 sales and it's a similar story as the gen5 and now gen6 came out, mustang has continued to surpass in sales.


that said... went to barrett jackson back in 16 iirc. the "track" out back that they were doing hot laps in had a charger, mustang and camaro. I will say, and I am NOT a dodge fan at all, the line at the dodge booth was 4x longer than either ford or chevy. those guys were plain having fun. music was loud, car was loud, passengers screaming out the windows. ford and chevy booths were quiet and drivers felt like sticks in the mud. seeing all that, how many left that event and stopped at the local dodge dealer and took a hemi home. sema the last couple years here in vegas had ford-sponsored events in the parking lot. chevy?? sure they have done some things but 2 of the larger events in the US and crickets from what we observed as 2 people that at the time, didn't own and weren't planning on buying a sports car. we have a 2020 ss. guy at work just bought a new daytona hemi. idling his car is 2x as loud as ours. if you want v8 rumble, dodge has it.

just a couple observations from one who at the time, had no skin in any race.
bought an ss a month ago and LOVE IT. never thought I'd be a camaro owner but don't regret anything about it and I preach the 6.2/a10 combo as one of the best drivetrains I have ever driven and tell anyone that will listen

in the end not sure chevy is really doing the camaro justice in promoting it but I suspect some of that comes from having a bigger brother(vette) with a longer and arguably more noted past. mustang doesn't really have that(gt500 doesn't really count) and dodge keeps releasing faster versions but it's essentially the same car. chevy has a winner on their hands but doesn't seem to want to promote it. if they did sales might be different and lead to better or different reviews/articles/feedback.

again all my .02 as a professed car guy but first foray in the world of v8's.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by CamaroSSStlfan

That's true for gas, oil changes, insurance. Lets say it's an extra two grand a year in cost. It's still worth it anyway IMO. If you're scraping just enough money to barely afford to own a v6 Camaro you should be driving a different car then and have different priorities.

Couldn't agree more. If you can barely afford this type of car, you probably shouldn't be buying it.

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

Couldn't agree more. If you can barely afford this type of car, you probably shouldn't be buying it.

People are taking 7-8 year loans out on autos these days. It ain't just people not being able to afford a V8 SS Camaro.

[redcoats1976]

Originally Posted by CamaroSSStlfan

Central FL? Do you live by Orlando? I can see traffic being an issue. There are always open spots to go WOT though. Ironic there is a short strip of road by my house on the way to my sub division than isn't very busy I can do short 0-60 from a roll when no traffic around. However, it's the main road to the Sheriffs office and airport so gotta be careful there isn't one way down the road passing by lol. Here in Punta Gorda it gets very busy especially in season, but the south part of town there is a lot less traffic because it isn't built up so you can get on it more.


I can imagine if one lived in Sebring, or like Clewiston or Moore Haven, the rural areas you could have a lot of fun with the SS.


What muscle car did you drive when you were young?

i live in lakeland,trust me when i say its much more crowded than when i moved here in 1980.had a 1966 pontiac tempest with a pro built 67 400,worked turbo 400 trans,GTO judge carb and intake with headers and duals.back in the day(80s through early 2000s) the street racing scene was crazy here.i would get out of work,wash the car if it was dirty,troll memoriel boulvard for a few races and bring a pizza home for the wife and kids.worked at a classic car restoration shop owned by a friend on weekends and some nights,learned a lot and got a bunch of free work and parts.still have pics of me standing in front of the car with hippie hair as it is going into the shop for paint at the shop(free!) yeah,good times...

[redcoats1976]

Originally Posted by Seniorrs

Been driving 4 cyls. for ever (vegan).When the dealer said it had a 3.6 6 pot I thought it was the big mill.To many bean sprouts I guess.

LOL...actually the 3.6 puts out as much power as many of the early V8s did back in the 60s.sure there were L-88s and hemi cars,and the ford 427 cammer motors in crates,but they were much harder to get ahold of than people think.i did get to drive a 427 cammer that was in a 67 mustang once...it was a scary car.

[3.8TransAM]

Originally Posted by jamala00

People are taking 7-8 year loans out on autos these days. It ain't just people not being able to afford a V8 SS Camaro.

I laughably took a 6 year loan out on my 1LE, once I did the math and realized I could do it at 2.4% why the hell would I give them any more of my money that I wanted the payment to be? :-) Of course this only works if you have good credit and the means to begin with. I'll always use someone else's money to my advantage if I can.

[CamaroSSStlfan]

Originally Posted by redcoats1976

i live in lakeland,trust me when i say its much more crowded than when i moved here in 1980.had a 1966 pontiac tempest with a pro built 67 400,worked turbo 400 trans,GTO judge carb and intake with headers and duals.back in the day(80s through early 2000s) the street racing scene was crazy here.i would get out of work,wash the car if it was dirty,troll memoriel boulvard for a few races and bring a pizza home for the wife and kids.worked at a classic car restoration shop owned by a friend on weekends and some nights,learned a lot and got a bunch of free work and parts.still have pics of me standing in front of the car with hippie hair as it is going into the shop for paint at the shop(free!) yeah,good times...

It seems when Publix started it's rapid growth and expanding is when Lakeland started exploding. The related industries around there to Publix as well. Kinda like how Orlando a lot revolves around Disney, Universal.

[redcoats1976]

hadnt thought of it that way before,but yes,right after that the warehousing industry here went crazy.i worked in a large warehousing chain for 27 years before retiring.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by 90503

Excellent points!...I've never driven any car for the first time that didn't take some getting used to...Isn't that always the case with something new?

Has anyone shopped a new car and told the salesman, "I don't want to have to get used to anything about this car! Unless it's an absolutely seamless transition from my current car, I won't buy it."

Salesman replies, "Well, just keep your old car, then."

To be clear, if GM gave us a great coupe with good visibility, decent trunk space (actually available on the Alpha architecture) and decent rear seat leg room ( strangely also available on the Alpha architecture) with the same class leading performance no one would have a complaint, would they? The trunk is too big, grrrrrrrrr. I don’t think so. Yes you can “get used to” driving a panel van with no windows. I’ve done it.

Choices were made and the result is 3rd place in sales.

The folks that can overlook these deficiencies are on here with the “I don’t have a problem so therefore there is no problem” posts.

I like liver and brussel sprouts on my pizza. Why isn’t that the most popular pizza. The magazine writers are all wrong.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by sandm

all imo but.....

the 5th gen camaro outsold the mustang for the first few years due to pent up demand. since the camaro 5th gen was the re-introduction sales flew BUT as demand caught up and those that had wanted a camaro got one, sales once again stagnated like it has over a larger % of the camaro vs stang years.

check out this chart:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...-living-color/

google 2015-2020 sales and it's a similar story as the gen5 and now gen6 came out, mustang has continued to surpass in sales.


that said... went to barrett jackson back in 16 iirc. the "track" out back that they were doing hot laps in had a charger, mustang and camaro. I will say, and I am NOT a dodge fan at all, the line at the dodge booth was 4x longer than either ford or chevy. those guys were plain having fun. music was loud, car was loud, passengers screaming out the windows. ford and chevy booths were quiet and drivers felt like sticks in the mud. seeing all that, how many left that event and stopped at the local dodge dealer and took a hemi home. sema the last couple years here in vegas had ford-sponsored events in the parking lot. chevy?? sure they have done some things but 2 of the larger events in the US and crickets from what we observed as 2 people that at the time, didn't own and weren't planning on buying a sports car. we have a 2020 ss. guy at work just bought a new daytona hemi. idling his car is 2x as loud as ours. if you want v8 rumble, dodge has it.

just a couple observations from one who at the time, had no skin in any race.
bought an ss a month ago and LOVE IT. never thought I'd be a camaro owner but don't regret anything about it and I preach the 6.2/a10 combo as one of the best drivetrains I have ever driven and tell anyone that will listen

in the end not sure chevy is really doing the camaro justice in promoting it but I suspect some of that comes from having a bigger brother(vette) with a longer and arguably more noted past. mustang doesn't really have that(gt500 doesn't really count) and dodge keeps releasing faster versions but it's essentially the same car. chevy has a winner on their hands but doesn't seem to want to promote it. if they did sales might be different and lead to better or different reviews/articles/feedback.

again all my .02 as a professed car guy but first foray in the world of v8's.

The advertising/marketing angle is not taken well by ex-GM employees here, which is very interesting. Almost all (of us) "outsiders" think it's 1) not done right for the Camaro and 2) a change would bring or would've brought much better sales figures, while "insiders" vehemently deny that. Just watch.

[MR's 2SS]

Ive been wanting to post on this thread for a while....
Im either laughing or shaking my head reading it.
Visibility is a bit limited... for 10 minutes as a few guys noted. But then again. My F-250 has big windows all around. And yet I ran my folks garbage can over because someone put it out in the road in front of my truck and I forgot. Cant see the first 8 or 10 feet in front of you...
Our 2ss vert is my wifes DD. She has no problems. Even squeezing between my truck and the curb in our driveway.
The truck could haul 20 golf bags, and pull a trailer with 20 golf carts to the counrty club. If I golfed or cared I would take the truck. Thats not why we have a Camaro.
I like Mustangs and Challengers. I always preferred Camaros. Since the 60s. But Id take a properly done one of any of them. Dodge tends to rust though. And all that Fiat stuff has me not looking at them. But a Hellcat? How can you be a car guy and not want one?
I owned a few Vettes. One a 69 vert with a 427. Tires were unable to hook.. brakes were not so good. Sounded and felt great though. But the first Gen 6 I drove was a Hertz rental in Fla... First time I put it to the wood I expected wheel spin and let off. All the early muscle cars Ive owned would have smoldered the tires and went sideways. I honestly never had a car that accelerated as hard as that Camaro.
I had an 85 RX7. I liked it a lot. Went like hell. Handled great. But they used a lot of gas and oil too. Plus something about cracking in the engines. I dont remember. Had mine 2 years with zero issues. It was great in the snow with studded snows too. I kept the stock 13s with snows for winter. And 60/15s for summer.
I dont know. I laugh at people who criticize. Mostly they have no clue.
In the early 80s I was having a beer on my friends porch. My 78 HD Superglide was parked in the street right in front of us....His neighbor comes out and sits down and asks about the bike... "what kind of bike is that?" I said "its a Suzuki" He starts telling me how I should have bought a Harley... The friggin thing was parked 20 feet away and hes looking right at my bike and telling me what I shoulda done...he knew everything about Harleys...
If I was to be able to afford one of all the cars Id love to have Id need a few warehouses. Id have a hell of a time picking a top 10 list.
Often, the ones that arent the most popular when new... End up the most sought after 25 years later.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by CamaroSSStlfan

Does anyone notice this? Whenever there is a news article about 6th gen Camaros I always notice in the comments section tons of negative comments about the 6the gen. From how it's an ugly car, nasty interior, poor gas mileage, how it needs to be electric, etc.


I saw some comments on an article today saying the 5th gen was a better design LOL. We all know the 5th gen was slower and had a plastic interior.


I was reading one today and many weenies on there say Camaro needs to be all electric to be better on the environment.


The poor visibility gripes about the 5th and 6th gen I totally understand though. However overall the Camaro LT1, SS, and ZL1 out performs the Mustang GT and Challenger in every aspect.

Ok, the poor gas mileage comment made me laugh.

I get 21-26mpg on the free way depending on which way the wind blows "literally". A V8 with 455 hp at 70-80mph that gas mileage is excellent, and actually my car gets better gas mileage than my truck lol! By about 10mpg. Yet we pay gas guzzler tax and I wonder why?

The only comment by the OP that's not true....

Camaro LT1, SS, and ZL1 out performs the Mustang GT and Challenger in every aspect.

The GT500 beats the ZL1 in a straight line, as does the Demon. However the ZL1 beats both of them in lap time. Forget who but a Pro Driver stated he'd rather have the ZL1 in a race than the other two. Which basically means HP does not always mean you cross the finish line first. More so in a turn race which is where the Camaros are best at. (With notable exception to mods) Furthermore, Dodge Charger Hellcats pull 10.8's all day long, something a stock Camaro cannot do without mods. Even the ZL1 struggles to get below low 11's stock. (Granted 850hp vs 707hp vs 650hp vs 455hp I get it)

I love my camaro as much as the next person, but I respect the other cars as well and acknowledge their strengths and weaknesses. That said, Pound for Pound, HP for HP. The Camaro is the better car overall. With obvious exceptions to Vettes, which I put in a different class.

[CamaroSSStlfan]

Originally Posted by MR's 2SS

Ive been wanting to post on this thread for a while....
Im either laughing or shaking my head reading it.
Visibility is a bit limited... for 10 minutes as a few guys noted. But then again. My F-250 has big windows all around. And yet I ran my folks garbage can over because someone put it out in the road in front of my truck and I forgot. Cant see the first 8 or 10 feet in front of you...
Our 2ss vert is my wifes DD. She has no problems. Even squeezing between my truck and the curb in our driveway.
The truck could haul 20 golf bags, and pull a trailer with 20 golf carts to the counrty club. If I golfed or cared I would take the truck. Thats not why we have a Camaro.
I like Mustangs and Challengers. I always preferred Camaros. Since the 60s. But Id take a properly done one of any of them. Dodge tends to rust though. And all that Fiat stuff has me not looking at them. But a Hellcat? How can you be a car guy and not want one?
I owned a few Vettes. One a 69 vert with a 427. Tires were unable to hook.. brakes were not so good. Sounded and felt great though. But the first Gen 6 I drove was a Hertz rental in Fla... First time I put it to the wood I expected wheel spin and let off. All the early muscle cars Ive owned would have smoldered the tires and went sideways. I honestly never had a car that accelerated as hard as that Camaro.
I had an 85 RX7. I liked it a lot. Went like hell. Handled great. But they used a lot of gas and oil too. Plus something about cracking in the engines. I dont remember. Had mine 2 years with zero issues. It was great in the snow with studded snows too. I kept the stock 13s with snows for winter. And 60/15s for summer.
I dont know. I laugh at people who criticize. Mostly they have no clue.
In the early 80s I was having a beer on my friends porch. My 78 HD Superglide was parked in the street right in front of us....His neighbor comes out and sits down and asks about the bike... "what kind of bike is that?" I said "its a Suzuki" He starts telling me how I should have bought a Harley... The friggin thing was parked 20 feet away and hes looking right at my bike and telling me what I shoulda done...he knew everything about Harleys...
If I was to be able to afford one of all the cars Id love to have Id need a few warehouses. Id have a hell of a time picking a top 10 list.
Often, the ones that arent the most popular when new... End up the most sought after 25 years later.

I wonder how that 69 Vette would be on modern tires. I love my SS but I'd give up my SS and a left nut for a 69 427 Stingray. Loads of torque.