think any chance GM to release chevelle

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

This would sell like hot cakes and every chevelle owner would recognize it as a chevelle ! I just think that it would have to be four doors like dodge did unless they just stop making the Camaro! She I first saw this my jaw drop ! Man this is sweet and modern looking with the square halo headlights!

In a market where coupes aren't selling and you would sell it sitting right next to a similarly priced Camaro coupe, please define hot cakes.

Not trying to be a d$&k, it's just the best you would do is split Camaro volumes and give both a crappy business proposition.

You would want the same powertrains right?

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

This would sell like hot cakes and every chevelle owner would recognize it as a chevelle ! I just think that it would have to be four doors like dodge did unless they just stop making the Camaro! She I first saw this my jaw drop ! Man this is sweet and modern looking with the square halo headlights!

I see a Camaro that's trying to be a Chevelle, and not succeeding.

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by JAX CAMARO

Man the 2016 Camaro better have some wow factor or there in trouble. Oh I would be all in for a Chevelle and probably will buy a vintage one long before they ever consider making a new one !

I'm with you ! But from the looks of the camo car I don't think it will!

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

I said that about a camaro as well...and here I am. If they could make a retro chevelle that resembles a 70-72 and is about the size of the current challenger, I'd be all over it.

Oh , I'm with you ! And I posted your dream in my post!

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by Number 3

In a market where coupes aren't selling and you would sell it sitting right next to a similarly priced Camaro coupe, please define hot cakes.

Not trying to be a d$&k, it's just the best you would do is split Camaro volumes and give both a crappy business proposition.

You would want the same powertrains right?

Oh , no I understand what you're saying! And this is why I said that it would have to be like what Dodge is doing have a 4 door and a two door muscle car! But the Chevelle would have to kill ppls heart by having 4 doors on the car I posted! So the Chevelle won't stomp on the Camaro toes! Or replace the Camaro with the Chevelle in order for it to be a coupe !

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I see a Camaro that's trying to be a Chevelle, and not succeeding.

Lol... That looks just like a modern version of a 70's Chevelle to me ! No Camaro in it! I bet it would succeed too because this car has everything ppl love about the muscle cars but hey what do I know!

[rocket403]

Originally Posted by Number 3

GM piled a ton of $$$$ into the Intrigue and Aurora. Both were really good cars if you ever drove them. I had the chance to enjoy both on many occasions. The problem became cost. If you took an Intrigue and added the outstanding uplevel suspension and a pretty decent OHC V6 you had a car that went over $30,000.............back in the 90s. So if you had a really great Oldsmobile for $30,000 or would you pick a BMW 3 Series or a MB to put in your driveway? Same thing with the Aurora. It went over $40,000 with the V8. GM really did try here. Got crucified for it. And in the end died well before the bankruptcy. The only car that sold was the full size 88 and that was generally the bench seat model for the older folks that wanted a big Oldsmobile.

If you look at the history, they did not do a bad job at all. It's jus the historic problem GM has had for the past 30 years. Price a good car up to the point where you can have a German or Japanese Luxury brand in the driveway and GM loses that transaction. It's the reason why a really and truly great ATS and CTS aren't selling. GM went toe to toe with BMW on content and pricing and as of today.......................they are slowing the plant down because both cars are selling poorly.

It took effort and bad decisions to kill Oldsmobile, Olds died because GM designed cars in the late 80's and 90's that people didn't think were worth buying, unattractive,low quality and buy the time GM finally came out with a somewhat decent car it was too late.

this is a nice quote that I found

Why did Olds die? One Wall Street analyst said (of Olds' demise), "GM doesn't have too many divisions. They have too little imagination." Jerry Flint, a noted auto analyst who writes for Forbes, cites indistinguishable styling, uninspired engineering, inexperienced leadership as reasons for Olds marketplace failure. Says Flint, "Oldsmobile has had 6 managers in 13 years - is that any kind of continuity? And the last one had no experience in the car business - her last job was heading up brand management for Alpo dog food."

GM neglected the Olds Brand and as a result they killed the Oldest car company.

[2ss-booya]

Originally Posted by DRKS1D3

I don't see it happening. They just released the "SS" and it is struggling to sell. Bland styling and a high price will kill this car in a few years.

How is it struggling to sell when they purposely limited production and stated they expected 1600 units a year?

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by 2ss-booya

How is it struggling to sell when they purposely limited production and stated they expected 1600 units a year?

True ! And GM said that it was going to be just a two year run before they brought them over to the U.S.! They were just trying to help get rid of them for the Australia division!

[ChrisBlair]

To be honest, the inside of my 2012 Camaro is much more reminiscent of the '68 to '72 GM A-Body (the Chevelle/GS/GTO/4-4-2 platform) than a first Gen Camaro. When I'm in my car, my brain says "Chevelle". When I'm out of it, my brain says "Camaro". Not a bad problem to have.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by rocket403

It took effort and bad decisions to kill Oldsmobile, Olds died because GM designed cars in the late 80's and 90's that people didn't think were worth buying, unattractive,low quality and buy the time GM finally came out with a somewhat decent car it was too late.

this is a nice quote that I found

Why did Olds die? One Wall Street analyst said (of Olds' demise), "GM doesn't have too many divisions. They have too little imagination." Jerry Flint, a noted auto analyst who writes for Forbes, cites indistinguishable styling, uninspired engineering, inexperienced leadership as reasons for Olds marketplace failure. Says Flint, "Oldsmobile has had 6 managers in 13 years - is that any kind of continuity? And the last one had no experience in the car business - her last job was heading up brand management for Alpo dog food."

GM neglected the Olds Brand and as a result they killed the Oldest car company.

But in the end reality suggested that even after the demise of Oldsmobile GM DID have too many divisions. Saturn and Pontiac still had to go. And Buick has no reason to exist other than China and Opel/Vauxhaul are fully redundant.

You may be an Olds lover but GM spent a crap load on the Intrigue and Aurora, both pretty good cars, that couldn't save the division. Quoting a Wall Street analyst is fine. Another opinion. I say they made a valiant effort that was rejected by the consumer. That is far more simple and factual than the number of divisional managers.

Sorry, but I was there. I saw it. I lived it. I felt it and for me the demise of Oldsmobile was personal. A Wall Street analyst opinion for me is BS. They tried along with keeping Pontiac alive and trying to fight the Japanese with Saturn. They failed and 20/20 hindsight is most assuredly a perfect analysis of what should have been done.

[rocket403]

I lived through it as well have owned 10 Cutlass's over the years as well as Delta 88 from 70-82.
I was a Olds Die hard as well as a member of the local Olds Club, so it was personal when GM shut the doors on Oldsmobile.

I worked at a Chev/Olds dealer for a couple of years just as the 80's came to a close, GM was in my family's blood but in the 90's it became clear that Olds was moving in the wrong direction, the money that GM put into Saturn could have been used in R&D for the other divisions and from what I have found they never made a profit with Saturn.

GM would need to come out with a Chevelle or Buick GN 5 seat 2 door that I can fit in if they want my business.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Number 3

But in the end reality suggested that even after the demise of Oldsmobile GM DID have too many divisions. Saturn and Pontiac still had to go. And Buick has no reason to exist other than China and Opel/Vauxhaul are fully redundant.

You may be an Olds lover but GM spent a crap load on the Intrigue and Aurora, both pretty good cars, that couldn't save the division. Quoting a Wall Street analyst is fine. Another opinion. I say they made a valiant effort that was rejected by the consumer. That is far more simple and factual than the number of divisional managers.

Sorry, but I was there. I saw it. I lived it. I felt it and for me the demise of Oldsmobile was personal. A Wall Street analyst opinion for me is BS. They tried along with keeping Pontiac alive and trying to fight the Japanese with Saturn. They failed and 20/20 hindsight is most assuredly a perfect analysis of what should have been done.

The Aurora was a great car IMO. My dad had a Aurora with the 4.0 V8. i loved that car. Dad was also an Olds guy he hated how Olds was the first to go from GM

[Alain]

I think GM will consider any options that will make them money. Bringing back a Chevelle could be an option that proves to be lucrative for them.

There are a lot of people that would love the idea of a Chevelle as long as it's done right.

[arkentect]

Originally Posted by Alain

I think GM will consider any options that will make them money. Bringing back a Chevelle could be an option that proves to be lucrative for them.

There are a lot of people that would love the idea of a Chevelle as long as it's done right.

The Chevelle is a popular Chevy model within certain demographics. Muscle Car Enthusiasts and baby-boomers. Though the baby boomer gen is a large portion of the car buying populace, there is not enough interest or even knowledge of the chevelle among the younger generations to warrant the revival of the name.

In my eyes the chevelle peaked in the early 70s and died from there on. And lets be totally honest while we're at it. GM does not need another car line introduced. The reason they started to go under was because of how thin they spread themselves. Stick to what you know and perfect it.

Hell if it were up to me I would dissolve GMC into Chevrolet. The two brands share way too many model bases/looks.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by arkentect

Hell if it were up to me I would dissolve GMC into Chevrolet. The two brands share way too many model bases/looks.

One word: Profit.

GMC is basically a huge printing press pumping out dollar bills for GM. Not to mention almost a quarter of GMC sales are high ATP Denali models.