School shooting in CT

[jshaf]

Originally Posted by family man

Me too.:(

Feel much the same, sickening:(

[laditee]

Its just so sad....my heart has not stopped burning since i heard about this...something has to be done...no one deserves to suffer for someone else mental issues...especially innocent children...beyond belief...my prayers are with the family and friends of all the victims:(

[C5RocksC5]

lots of crazies out there who have no business owning or having access to firearms.

[Gigachip]

Originally Posted by Nitroman28

A survey in 2007 showed there are over 270 million guns in the US, How do you suppose they do what you're asking? 90 out of 100 people own a gun.

Schools need to stop spending so much money on Sports and Greyhound buses to haul Football and band around in and focus on security. A locked door and metal detector would have stopped it before it started.

that I always disagreed on
It annoys me that Universities want to raise tuition but at the same time they say they're increasing funds for sports

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by Nitroman28

A survey in 2007 showed there are over 270 million guns in the US, How do you suppose they do what you're asking? 90 out of 100 people own a gun.

Schools need to stop spending so much money on Sports and Greyhound buses to haul Football and band around in and focus on security. A locked door and metal detector would have stopped it before it started.

The doors to all of our schools are locked. You need to stand in front of a camera before they will buzz you in. Only the high school has Newtown Police officers there daily. It's not a matter of money being spent improperly. The are unlimited funds. It's a case of everyone thinking " never in Newtown."


Why they buzzed in someone dressed in all black after classes had started us still a mystery to me. As of what we know now his mother wasn't even at the school. So many questions still unanswered.

[soloknight6]

Originally Posted by PIPE

Really? I mean Really? This stuff was never heard of 20 years ago. Never. So If you look through history how is todays kids different then previous generations? Simple answer. Todays parents are just flat out lazy to parent. Parents are stressed, tired etc. More worried about being friends with there kids then being a damn parent. Its easier to shove a tv or video game in there face then it is to go out and play ball, go to the park, etc. These kids learn all this crap in the imaginary world of the tv, movies (and the biggest culprit) video games. Am I a perfect parent NO. But I raise my kids to know whats right and wrong, I whoop theyre butt when its warranted and I make sure what they watch on tv video etc is fit for them to watch. I'm honest with them and teach them the same way I was raised. That is to have MORALS.

Its a sad situation for all involved. My heart and prayers go out to all of them.

No the answer is fear. Back in the day, people like this were afraid of committing such heinous crimes. The Electric chair, Noses, Firing lines. In short, execution was scary. Today, you get a lifetime supply of food and a roof, or a sleepy time injection. There were also scary places like asylums, places where mentally unstable and dangerous people would go and never leave, not live in a family neighborhood. Justice has become soft, because money can be made off of criminals and defending them. People can be born VIOLENT. They can hide behind a smile, and they can have great parents. But if something is wrong in their head...

[az'rail]

Such a tragedy. My heart goes out to any one affected by this.

Hey Supercharged SS have you heard from Ted?

We all would like to know if you Connecticut guys are ok.

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by az'rail

Such a tragedy. My heart goes out to any one affected by this.

Hey Supercharged SS have you heard from Ted?

We all would like to know if you Connecticut guys are ok.

I have not spoken with Ted today. I'm sure I will at some point tomorrow. His youngest is a high school student and he lives about 25 minutes away from Newtown.

[Nitroman28]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

The doors to all of our schools are locked. You need to stand in front of a camera before they will buzz you in. Only the high school has Newtown Police officers there daily. It's not a matter of money being spent improperly. The are unlimited funds. It's a case of everyone thinking " never in Newtown."


Why they buzzed in someone dressed in all black after classes had started us still a mystery to me. As of what we know now his mother wasn't even at the school. So many questions still unanswered.

But they need them to walk into a metal detector before they buzz them in. Just because you know someone don't mean anything anymore.

[Hellfighter]

Originally Posted by akCamaross

Its so sad. These people need to die and burn in hell...

hes already there... wish he didnt succide and police law made him suffer.

[GnyaTek]

Originally Posted by PIPE

Really? I mean Really? This stuff was never heard of 20 years ago. Never. So If you look through history how is todays kids different then previous generations?

If you look back through history, this event is not a new happening, folks have done this many times before including in the distant past.

Folks that are jumping in and blaming just about everything today on gun control or lack of gun control or apathy or video games are missing the point.

The main point is that regardless of legality of guns, when a person has a will to do harm ... they will do harm. There is not a lot that we can do to prevent 100% of all violent crime without 100% restrictions on the population as a whole that would be unliveable.

This is not to say that we should not review the events of what happened with this horrific tragedy to see what we can learn from it and determine if there are other ways for us to increase our vigilance against future tragedies. We should.

Answers (if they even exist) to these types of problems, are not arrived at by reacting swiftly and emotionally based on such a horrific act. We need to take time to think through appropriate responses ... and we may find that there are no responses available.

Historically, this is far from the first tragedy ... and yes ... more than 20 years ago...

A quick internet search will bring up other events through history that show that, I reitterate, "folks that have a will to do harm, will do harm":

Bath School disaster - May 18, 1927 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

University of Texas massacre - Aug 1, 1966
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

These are in addition to the much more recent events, including Columbine (which was not all that recent - 13 years ago), Va Tech, Sandy Hook, and others.

Gun control is not the answer ... nor is arming everyone. I do not have the answer, though I wish I did.

We can not safety-proof everything and everyone without taking the "life" out of living.

We cannot prevent every incident from occuring.

We cannot be certain that arming everyone wouldn't actually create additional incidents.

What we can do is pray for the victims and the families of all involved and do what we can to support and care for one another and be vigilant and aware of our surroundings.

- Andy
(and for those that have problems deciphering my user id - a Virginia Tech alum)

[Blake_GM]

Originally Posted by rez333

I have debated this point before (just because I was given this side to debate), but it is a false argument.

Criminals typically get guns to commit crimes other than random murders such as this. They may be robbers, hit men etc.

What we want to do is to get guns away from crazy people who commit random senseless killings. The laws that protect sane people from crazy people need to be revised. Crazy people should be banned from guns, and therefore police need to know about people with mental problems.

It's quite easy to do. Person obtaining gun must have a clean mental history, and must have references from 5 people who will be called to give an account of any history of violence or mental instability.

I believe the statement that people who are already going to side with doing something illegal don't really care WHERE their gun comes from - whatever source is easiest to obtain it is the route they are going to go. Whether it be legally or illegally. So, technically you are right, but for the wrong reason. I think the further background check on purchasing a pistol (because with rifles/long guns you can pretty much walk in anywhere at 18 and buy one with no problem just by signing your name) is a good way to go for both accounts.

The problem will be figuring out how exactly to regulate that. Who do you contact to make sure this person doesn't have a personal history of violence/mental illness that has managed to fly under the radar? What about the sportsman that wants to buy a revolver to load snake shot and keep on his side while hunting to deal with snakes is denied due to two of his ex-wives claiming he is mentally unstable? That's hardly fair..but at the same time, Mr. Joe Blow who plans on shooting up a school in two days (and has probably planned this out - MEANING with the LAWS prohibiting him if he did certain things he wouldn't be able to get his gun easily and go out with a bang) has absolutely no record, no signs of this goes through the new legal channels and is accepted? It's still flawed, no matter what way you go.

I am all for guns, (own many myself) but I feel like no matter how strict our laws are, it is simply mainly unfair to honest people who want them for their own protection (who actually go through the legal channels to own/carry one) because at the end of the day, by making the regulations tougher it restricts those people, while as I pointed out, the people who want a gun, are going to get a gun anyway they want.

I know here in MO before you purchase a pistol, you have to fill out this long form, then the form gets called into the feds to be crosschecked if you are on a list of "do not sell to"/is this person who they say they are, and some of those aspects that can keep you from purchasing is mental health issues. Also, to LEGALLY purchase a pistol in the USA, the whole USA, federal law is 21 years of age. So, technically, this kid obtained his weapon(s) through illegal means anyway and obviously went through with absolutely no regard to ethics, morals, law or plain decent human nature. And I'm being real nice when I put it that way.

There is no easy answer. And it sucks, it really does. I lose a little faith in humanity every day.

[CamaroRBT]

Originally Posted by x1sniper3x

Sorry but I gotta (respectfully) disagree with you on this one. I've been playing shooters since Goldeneye and I don't think I've ever had myself go into a desensitized state. Granted, some people are affected differently by games than others, but does that mean we can limit everyone's play time? And do we start limiting internet access too? Since videos on YouTube could have the same effect. That's a really rough road, and one that I don't want to go down.

At the end of the day, this is a tragic event and I think the people of this country need to take a few days to relax and mourn the losses from today's event. The children and families of those lost come first. We should be respecting them instead of arguing over gun control, video games, etc. RIP to those lost...and thoughts and prayers with the families

Ive been a gamer since NES. Agree or disagree i feel that video games, the media and sure the internet is breeding these killers. All you hear on the news is murder murder fire murder death kill Weather murder the end. Not about to hero who saved the old lady from falling and breaking a hip. Tv shows like walking dead cmon man this crap is why these people are doing this. Dont get me wrong i enjoy all this entertainment but i can mentally take it. Not all can. You never heard of horror stories like this in the 50's...... because this extreme entertainment wasnt readily available.

[RubyCamaro]

What a sad comentary on our society that a person like this was walking around in the world to be able to do such a horrific thing. The crazy, evil criminal elements in our society have all the rights. The innocent children are treated like property. We have to back up and understand the importance of mental health treatment for those that are treatable and go back to locking up the ones that will always pose a risk of harm to others. The good of the many over the rights of the one.

No words can give any comfort to these families. But we offer all we have, prayers, positive thoughts, emotional and financial support and counseling should be poured out to them though we know it is so little to offer for such a horrible loss.