2013 Hundia Genesys to have 345HP

[justa25thTA]

Originally Posted by 4DoorRocket

Look at half the posts about anything that is not domestic. They are usually uneducated. If you see a WRX, it's already rice to most. If you see a evo, it's automatically rice. Yet when a camaro has lambo doors or is dropped significantly, it's awesome. To me, that is rice. The only cars that should have lambo doors, are the cars that come with lambo doors to begin with from the factory.

I can't count how many times that I see Hyundai's history being brought up. Is that all everyone has? It's called history for a reason. Look at what they are producing right NOW. The quality has went way up. That's like bragging about how many superbowls your team won or how many world series or stanely cups. That's great if they did, but unless it just happened, it doesn't matter.

I have never seen any "import" guy bring up anything negative to say about domestics, except for the fact that muscle cars can only go in a straight line. Most of the time, I see nothing but respect from those drivers.

You see the post from the guy who traded in his 2011?

[Stew]

Originally Posted by blackswan

I came to my 2012 Camaro from a 2011 Sonata. While I did love the looks of the car, in and out, and the engine was really nice, the steering was crap, the sunroof leaked, there was a "cheezy" feel to most of the car. Worst, the dealership's service department was definitely not ready to step up to the level of customer service and sat that Hyundai marketing is pushing the brand to (or trying to). Actually started to hate driving it with the ridiculous electric steering it has. They aren't "there" yet, trust me.

PS: As for my choice of a V6 Camaro, while I (and I suspect others) can easily afford the V8, I chose NOT to afford it. There may be those who don't have to put any thought into the extra several thousand because they literally have it to spare, or CHOSE to afford it - good for them. But there's a big difference between not being ABLE to afford something and choosing to put your money elsewhere. Continuing to insult people who have the LS/LT's really drags this site down, in my opinion of course.

Your Sonata experience sounds alot like my brother's experience with his Cadillac CTS, except he is having more than just the leaky sunroof which is so bad it leaves 2 to 3 inch pool of water in his passenger floorboard and has shorted out the seat heater and climate controls for the passenger side. And of course crappy caddy service at the dealer, yes it is out of warranty for that, but the missing enine and rough shifting transmission should be covered under the drivetrain warranty and the dealer keeps dicking around on it. Oh, his wifes 06 Optima has had a total of one issue since they have had it, a sticking brake caliper, replaced and fixed and NO other issues. the CTS has around 63k miles, the Optima around 100k.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by PercyJWellingtonIII

Its because Americans like to continue to feed the Monkey. They buy crap just because its foriegn and the media tells them its better. I have a aunt case in point. Had a 80s Hyundai that fell apart a little more each month until it was a 5 year old hunk o junk. Then...she traded it in on anther Hyundai. Lots of people reinvested there money in the same brand that fell apart in less than 5 years with less than 100k miles. The media told them to so it gave Hyundai the funds to make a better pruduct. Yugo could have done the same with better marketing and better connections to congressman and other politicians who work out backroom deals supported by state taxpayers who end up subsidizing foriegn car company factories in there state without even knowing it.

If your aunt had a car that fell apart in a short amount of time, sounds like it was her issue and not hyundais..... And do you think American car Companies haven't made their fair share of crap? ESPECIALLY in the 80s and 90s????????

[Stew]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

So just because some of us favor the Camaro over other cars, we don't know anything about cars? Please.

And when the import guys and American public "quit bringing up the past when the present is what matters the most," we'll stop too.

I think it is more the stupid comments like "there is no gayer car" that he is referring to, those comments are stupid as can be and completely childish.

[TaylorRyanSS]

I just realized the title of this thread says Hundia Genesys

[King Sun]

Originally Posted by blackswan

I came to my 2012 Camaro from a 2011 Sonata. While I did love the looks of the car, in and out, and the engine was really nice, the steering was crap, the sunroof leaked, there was a "cheezy" feel to most of the car. Worst, the dealership's service department was definitely not ready to step up to the level of customer service and sat that Hyundai marketing is pushing the brand to (or trying to). Actually started to hate driving it with the ridiculous electric steering it has. They aren't "there" yet, trust me.

PS: As for my choice of a V6 Camaro, while I (and I suspect others) can easily afford the V8, I chose NOT to afford it. There may be those who don't have to put any thought into the extra several thousand because they literally have it to spare, or CHOSE to afford it - good for them. But there's a big difference between not being ABLE to afford something and choosing to put your money elsewhere. Continuing to insult people who have the LS/LT's really drags this site down, in my opinion of course.

those type of people always try to use a performance thing/heritage argument are the people that feel they are better than the people that could not afford the "top of the line" car.

[Grimlock]

Ah yes the media, American public, import drivers, blah blah. Let's bad mouth everyone who has a differing opinion. I'm glad we can all point and laugh at a company who's made a good amount of mistakes and is really making strides to get themselves back in line. We're not saying they're perfect, we're saying they're improving. Because they can never measure up to a perfect company like GM who's never made a mistake...oh wait.

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by Grimlock

Ah yes the media, American public, import drivers, blah blah. Let's bad mouth everyone who has a differing opinion. I'm glad we can all point and laugh at a company who's made a good amount of mistakes and is really making strides to get themselves back in line. We're not saying they're perfect, we're saying they're improving. Because they can never measure up to a perfect company like GM who's never made a mistake...oh wait.

It's the American way, no one but the opposition can make a mistake...

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by PercyJWellingtonIII

Its because Americans like to continue to feed the Monkey. They buy crap just because its foriegn and the media tells them its better. I have a aunt case in point. Had a 80s Hyundai that fell apart a little more each month until it was a 5 year old hunk o junk. Then...she traded it in on anther Hyundai. Lots of people reinvested there money in the same brand that fell apart in less than 5 years with less than 100k miles. The media told them to so it gave Hyundai the funds to make a better pruduct. Yugo could have done the same with better marketing and better connections to congressman and other politicians who work out backroom deals supported by state taxpayers who end up subsidizing foriegn car company factories in there state without even knowing it.

Since when has Hyundai been pushed positively by our media? Hyundai is making strides because they fulfilled a market that other manufacturers were lacking in: extremely cheap cars with desirable features. Now they've been taking advantage of a growing customer base and are trying to expand into other markets.

As for foreign car companies moving factories into the states, well you can thank the wonderfully retarded protectionist BS policies, pushed by economically ignorant Americans, that force foreign manufacturers to assemble their cars here to avoid tariffs. Oh how I wish just 2/10 Americans understood how counter-productive protectionism is and how it all started with chicken tariffs in the UK