The Saga Continues: Toyota Recalls More in Japan

[BearDownSS]

First off, let me start by saying that I'm not Japanese. WESMAN, look up the word "egocentrism". Maybe our culture seems weird to people outside the US and western Europe. I'm not so sure how owning a Toyota means you're taking part in their culture.

[Jay J]

Originally Posted by Wesman

Thats only in the new models of the TL and GS. Previous models (2008 and earlier) still had single piston cast iron calipers with 11" rotors. Garbage on a $40,000 car.

Honda only recently started using dual piston calipers up front because with the increased weight of their newer cars, the single piston systems were pathetic, even by Hondas lax standards. American cars have had aluminum and/or dual piston calipers standard on many models for over 10 years.

What are you talking about?
Lexus has always used 2 piston sliders up front....
Their LS400 brakes are quite good and often retofitted into many other cars (4 piston monoblocks..Oh and yeah Lexus brakes don't have weird weights hanging off of them either

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Jay J

What are you talking about?
Lexus has always used 2 piston sliders up front....
Their LS400 brakes are quite good and often retofitted into many other cars (4 piston monoblocks..Oh and yeah Lexus brakes don't have weird weights hanging off of them either

When you've got fake quad exhaust tips...you've got to do something right to make up for it....


To respond to your little jab, though...if they had used a softer compound to please the ears and eliminate the squealing...it would have cost performance.

[Jay J]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

When you've got fake quad exhaust tips...you've got to do something right to make up for it....


To respond to your little jab, though...if they had used a softer compound to please the ears and eliminate the squealing...it would have cost performance.

Got me there; the ISF does have plastic tips on the rear...The 8speed gearbox is quite nice though :p ...Yet I don't claim the ISF all that special..Its just a standard ISX50 with a 5.0 V8...On the other-hand the M3 vs standard E90/E92 its a different car....

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

Read my original post, do some research the NHTSA released these findings NOT Toyota.

Your idea that they reflashed the ECMs to fix the problem is conjecture not fact, until you have some facts then everything you say is just that.

And finally what you talked about was the Japanese culture, not their cars, and what you were saying was racist by pidegnholing all of them into the ideals you claim were toyotas. I'd quote it, but its right here in this thread in the first couple of posts for you to see.

I wasn't even going to respond but others seem interested. That said I'm done with this argument. I'm talking to a myopic wall who believes what he believes and won't even bother to think or do some research.

In Wesman's defense, NHTSA frankly has no idea what they're doing. This is the reason why they've asked help from independent panels to find other causes of UA, because the ones they know of can't be applied to Toyota's case.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

tell that to ford and GM who sold/sell cobalts and focci (focuses)? with drum brakes in the rear....... your number of over 10 years is a bit.....off

Those are economy cars.

The cheaper models of the Focus, Cobalt, Corolla, Civic, Sentra, and Lancer all use drum brakes in the back. Thats the standard for the class.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by Jay J

What are you talking about?
Lexus has always used 2 piston sliders up front....
Their LS400 brakes are quite good and often retofitted into many other cars (4 piston monoblocks..Oh and yeah Lexus brakes don't have weird weights hanging off of them either

What are YOU taking about clueless??

The IS still uses single piston cast iron calipers, as does the ES. I believe the GS does as well. Junk.

The LS400 brakes are heavy, ancient cast iron pieces that date back to the 80's, when Toyota first started putting them on their trucks. They are very poorly designed and have a repuation for failing prematurely. Toyota trucks are always in the shop needing new fixed pot calipers.

Originally Posted by BearDownSS

First off, let me start by saying that I'm not Japanese. WESMAN, look up the word "egocentrism". Maybe our culture seems weird to people outside the US and western Europe. I'm not so sure how owning a Toyota means you're taking part in their culture.

I want you to take one guess how much I care what the Asians think.

[Jay J]

Originally Posted by Wesman

What are YOU taking about clueless??

The IS still uses single piston cast iron calipers, as does the ES. I believe the GS does as well. Junk.

The LS400 brakes are heavy, ancient cast iron pieces that date back to the 80's, when Toyota first started putting them on their trucks. They are very poorly designed and have a repuation for failing prematurely. Toyota trucks are always in the shop needing new fixed pot calipers.

I want you to take one guess how much I care what the Asians think.

Originally Posted by Wesman

The LS400 brakes are heavy, ancient cast iron pieces that date back to the 80's, when Toyota first started putting them on their trucks. They are very poorly designed and have a repuation for failing prematurely. Toyota trucks are always in the shop needing new fixed pot calipers.

Originally Posted by Wesman

What are YOU taking about clueless??
The IS still uses single piston cast iron calipers, as does the ES. I believe the GS does as well. Junk.
I want you to take one guess how much I care what the Asians think.

IS350/GS350/430 Brake Caliper


ES350/IS250 Caliper
Twin Piston Slider

[Jay J]

Originally Posted by Wesman

What are YOU taking about clueless??


The LS400 brakes are heavy, ancient cast iron pieces that date back to the 80's, when Toyota first started putting them on their trucks. They are very poorly designed and have a repuation for failing prematurely. Toyota trucks are always in the shop needing new fixed pot calipers.

Originally Posted by intellexual.net

LS400:
caliper weight - 9 lbs
rotor diameter - 12.4 inches
rotor thickness - 1.26 inches

Supra:
caliper weight - 15 lbs
rotor diameter - 12.72 inches
rotor thickness - 1.26 inches

[Rogue Leader]

Smackdown!

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by Jay J

IS350/GS350/430 Brake Caliper

Is that cast iron or aluminum??

ES350/IS250 Caliper
Twin Piston Slider

Looks like a single piston slider.

[Jay J]

The first one is aluminum....
If its the same as the factory brakes on my 99 GS300 it should be a slider twin piston..Rear's a single I know..

..Front slider...
uno piston..dos piston

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

Actually no thats not the Japanese culture at all. I work for a Japanese company and the overwhelming mantra is that we're all in this together, but if you really F up you need to fall on your sword. Otherwise to the end they will cover for each others mistakes and help each other out no matter what.

And if you have read up on the whole "Toyota scandal" the NHTSA has released preliminary results that have found people failed to depress the brakes sufficiently in EVERY ONE of the reported "accidents" except for one. Of course thats on the bottom of the headlines because its not sensational enough.

you should explain that to the filipinos!..they NEVER admit to making a mistake
it's ALWAYS the other person's fault!.."losing" face IS the reason why!..no matter what!..it's NOT their fault!..it's YOUR fault!..f*8k you!..(lol!)..if it wasn't so f**king pathetic,it would even be funny!

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

So basically, they used a 15 cent part where they should have used a 20 cent part, and are trying to fix it with a 4 cent part because that way, they're still coming out ahead. As least it isn't as bad as the gas pedal floor mat solution (remove floor mat and saw off pedal). When will car companies learn that cheaping out on stuff ends up costing them more in the long run?

they don't care ,because it only costs them IF they get caught!