The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[wbt]

Originally Posted by Merlin

Not to dampen the spirits of the Ford guys but aren't we all taking this a bit out of perspective? I know I have heard people talk about the difference in gearing between the Camaro and the Mustang but then everyone blows it off as a non-factor it seem. It's a huge advantage, guys, people should realize there is a drastic difference between the two cars in this respect.

Of course, my numbers could be wrong, but I show that the Camaro LS3 would have to have a 4.54 final drive to equal that of the GT with the 3.73's in first gear, 4.40 for second gear, 4.37 for third and so on. So basically, to match the GT in gearing, you're gonna need 4.55 gears on the SS. That's huge - I would love to see some of these guys running mid-12's stock do some runs with some 4.55's.

Now I know the stock for stock argument and the GT is gonna be quicker bone stock but it ain't because the engine is something created by God himself - it's all in the gearing - the LS3 is a badass engine itself. I think the new 5.0 is an incredible engine but I won't bow down and worship it until I see what some LS3's do with equal gearing - I think the results will be quite impressive. If the SS still gets whacked, then I will reconsider. Someone may have already posted all this info. but I think it is pretty interesting. Just my .02.

You are absolutely correct and I have been preaching this point since before the 2011 Mustang GT hit the roads. Throw a 4.30 in the Camaro to eliminate the gearing differences and I will lay money down that it would be quicker/faster than a 2011 Mustang GT. Apples to apples.

[8cd03gro]

What are the tranny gears like in the camaro? Did you actually calculate using axle and tranny gears to find what you would need in the rear to equal the final drive of the mustang? I think 4.55's would be extremely short in the camaro. The key advantage isn't in the gears, as proven by the 12.58 run in a 3.31 car, the advantage is the weight. Of course, I'm arguing anything else in your post. I completely agree. I just have a feeling with 4.55's you'd be shifting like crazy and the already hindering IRS would just have more problems. Of course I'm just speculating and I could be wrong.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Merlin

Now I know the stock for stock argument and the GT is gonna be quicker bone stock but it ain't because the engine is something created by God himself - it's all in the gearing - the LS3 is a badass engine itself. I think the new 5.0 is an incredible engine but I won't bow down and worship it until I see what some LS3's do with equal gearing - I think the results will be quite impressive. If the SS still gets whacked, then I will reconsider. Someone may have already posted all this info. but I think it is pretty interesting. Just my .02.

Now I know the stock for stock argument and the SS is gonna be quick bone stock but it ain't because the engine is something created by God himself - it's all in the displacement - the 5.0 is a badass engine itself. I think the LS3 is an incredible engine but I won't bow down and worship it until I see what some LS3's do with equal displacement - I think the results will be quite impressive. If the GT gets whacked, then I will reconsider. Someone may have already posted all this info. but I think it is pretty interesting. Just my .02.

........in the end its all just excuses for all parties involved. If it isnt a displacement thing, its a weight thing, or a coupe vs 4 door thing, or an automatic thing, or a manual thing, or a gearing thing,or a supercharger thing, or an aerodynamics thing,etc....

[2SSARMY]

This picture never gets old.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

What are the tranny gears like in the camaro? I think 4.55's would be extremely short in the camaro. The key advantage isn't in the gears, as proven by the 12.58 run in a 3.31 car, the advantage is the weight.

Wrong. <200lbs. is not going to make as much diff as the lower gears.

100lbs. reduction = .1 in the 1/4

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/wiki.p...tions+%28SS%29

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by wbt

Wrong. <200lbs. is not going to make as much diff as the lower gears.

100lbs. reduction = .1 in the 1/4

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/wiki.p...tions+%28SS%29

Yeah, so putting down similar power, the mustang has a very slight advantage (about 0.2s)... exactly what we are seeing. If the rule of thumb of 100 lbs = .1s is true and the gears are that much of an advantage, the mustang should have a .2 advantage + the advantage of the gears so like a half second? That's obviously not the case...

[HeHasReturned]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

This picture never gets old.

Neither does this one



Lol, just being the devil's advocate

[2SSARMY]

No drivers in those cars though!! :P

[fazm]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

This picture never gets old.

but that picture is old lol

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

This picture never gets old.

i agree, these cars are so photogenic!! LOL

[2SSARMY]

Man I hate you guys. Just ruining my parade !

[8cd03gro]

Did you just spend the time to take that screenshot yourself LOL

[fazm]

im thinking he did lol

someone post the ls1>bullitt picture again

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Did you just spend the time to take that screenshot yourself LOL

Trollin' ain't easy brotha.