Buying American Made Harder than Necessary

[chevydude26]

move general motors down south to a right to work state...and stop dealing with unions...simple ...

[buzzy56]

Yes the American factory worker has been & continues to be the whipping boy for so long now.Spoiled, under worked,overpaid,and not worthy of the benefits that they have received in the past.
Well gentlemen thing are a changing.All jobs, even professional ones are slowly but systematically being outsourced to the cheapest labor market where ever that might be.Non union states,overseas, etc.There is no stopping it now.Engineering,Graphic design,xray techs,and many other functions are all slowly be shipped out of the country.Salaries for all even those college educated will be far less in the future along with reduced benefits.Doctors,bakers,professionals of all kinds and non-professionals
income will suffer as a result of this.In the future all Americans will be effected by this trend.A Lower standard of living for all eventually. As more and more individuals go to and graduate from college they will be competing for fewer and fewer jobs.Which will lead to reduced pay scales.The American dream is going away.Never to return in the same way ever again.The only way to spread the wealth around the world to poor countries is to raise their standard of livings so that they can buy the products that they cannot initially afford.Where does that wealth come from but thru redistribution of wealth of the prosperous nations to those areas of the world whom will work for slave wages under the worst conditions for the least amount of return on their labor.Want to compete?There is your competition.Get out there and compete.

[AngryAmish]

Originally Posted by monstertodd

Specialized skills: I.E. doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, polar bear wrestlers..............yes unfortunately, you guys/gals HAVE to go to college or you're not removing MY kidney, pleading my case, designing my bridge, whipping up the next cancer drug, or removing a rabid polar bear from my living room.

I never knew they offered wrasslin' polar bears in the cirriculum. F*** that, where do I sign up?

Worth the price just for the internship out in the field if you ask me...

[5thGenOwner]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

I'm concerned posting this thread that it will become a political discussion. If it does, I'm closing it without warning. Do not discuss politics in here.

GM is in the process of negotiating a contract with the UAW for a valvetrain plant in Michigan. The news in this story has little to do with the plant, the UAW, or even GM. The issue is much bigger than GM, and that is why I put this in the general cars section.

Here's the problem. GM could have just shuttered the plant, laying off expensive workers in favor of cheaper ones elsewhere. In light of bankruptcy, the best course of action would have been just that. At the risk of repeating history, GM decided to keep hiring American because it was the right thing to do. Afterall, GM is an American company with its traditionally best market in the US, although the last 3 months have all see better performance in China. GM wanted to hire American, and GM is still going to work to hire American.

The problem isn't GM. The problem is that the workers won't accept the cuts of $3 per hour and other snags in the deal. Before I criticize these workers, I'll point out that I would gladly accept any pay remotely close to what those workers make right now. I have a deferred college loan, no car, and live with family while I work at a job that does not guarantee enough to change my situation. If I could be in their shoes, I would take it in a heartbeat.

However, I'm not in their shoes. They don't want to lose their $3 per hour. Normally, you expect to make more over time, and that is rational thinking. These workers have missed the point. GM has no interest in hiring expensive workers that will bring it back to ruin when the cheaper alternatives won't underperform and likely won't protest. GM is in a winning position here, and the union elected to challenge that position. It's a stupid challenge.

As a buyer, I'd like to buy American, but I don't want to employ these idiots. I want to take their places. They're living a dream that shouldn't even be a dream: a job that pays the bills. It's a dream to me and to so many other unemployed Americans, and they're throwing away a lot more than $3 per hour by voting against this contract. They're throwing away their entire paycheck and the culture that we buy American.

What should GM do?

Article is by Automotive News. Discuss carefully.

(speechless...)

Note: I Camaro5

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by MikesZ

Last time I checked, the non-union US workers at the US-based Honda, Toyota and Hyundai plants were not complaining...and those companies seem to have no problem finding US workers who are willing to work for the plant wages that are being offered.

Why is that...

Lets change the direction of this thread a bit

How are the wages from UAW workers compared to are rivals non union that work in the workers?

Surprisingly ... I only heard/read that the big 3 only have this problem regarding workers. .... as far as I know the Germans, the Asians, and the Japanese never had this issue

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

Why is that...

Lets change the direction of this thread a bit

How are the wages from UAW workers compared to are rivals non union that work in the workers?

Surprisingly ... I only heard/read that the big 3 only have this problem regarding workers. .... as far as I know the Germans, the asians, and the japs never had this issue

please don't call them "Japs", it's an ugly derogatory term similar to the big bad "N" word. You should have just left it alone at asians.

[Muscle Master]

Give me a break ... I'm on my blackberry and didn't feel like spelling the whole word ... Did mean it like that and I will edit it when I get to my computer

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

please don't call them "Japs", it's an ugly derogatory term similar to the big bad "N" word. You should have just left it alone at asians.

brings up an interesting point.... I for one don't think of 'japs' as a derogatory term for the Japanese people. I used to use it just because it seems like a logical shortening of Japanese. However, I realize that some may still be offended by this, so I try not to use it.

I think the reasoning behind my reasoning may have something to do with my age (24). I don't even think my father was born when the term was widely used in a derogatory manner. But like i said, some people still get offended, so I don't use the term in public.

[SleepWarz]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

please don't call them "Japs", it's an ugly derogatory term similar to the big bad "N" word. You should have just left it alone at asians.

No, it is not.

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by SleepWarz

No, it is not.

Wikipedia agrees with you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japs

In Singapore[9] and Hong Kong,[10] the term is used freely as a contraction of the adjective "Japanese". The Australian news service Asia Pulse also uses the term.[11] In 1970, the Japanese fashion designer Kenzo Takada opened the "Jungle Jap" boutique in Paris.[12] In Japan itself, most Japanese are apathetic about the term, according to a 2004 study.[1]

[SleepWarz]

Oh god, like wikipedia is ever a credible source. =p

I just dont see any aggression or hostillity behind the word Jap personally. Unless you prefix it with something else but anything can be twisted like that.

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

Why is that...

Lets change the direction of this thread a bit

How are the wages from UAW workers compared to are rivals non union that work in the workers?

Surprisingly ... I only heard/read that the big 3 only have this problem regarding workers. .... as far as I know the Germans, the Asians, and the Japanese never had this issue

Can we please get back on topic ... yesh, y'all got the attention span of a 3 yr old

lol jk