The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Stew]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Yep. If the new GT can get the power down to the ground, it will surely outperform the 2011 SS if performance remains unchanged. The base GT is going to have a hard time controlling all torque with those 235s. If I was Ford, I would have offered the 255s as the base tire, with 275s on the upgraded package. The SS's front tire is bigger than the base GT's rear lol.

I definatly agree on the tires, ya know you can have the best engine/transmission and suspension ever, but you put the wrong size/type tire on there and it's al in vain.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by micj82

sorry,ninjak don't know where your geting your info but your dead wrong,ford really did all they can with this new 5.0 to get every horse out of it. its about time they came out with a non supercharged motor with some balls lol. and thank the 2010 camaro for that the little gt mustang would still have 300 hp, the new camaro is not going anywhere. i don't care if my car had 250 hp to honest, its the best looking american car on the road in the last ten years some might not think so....... they must need fuking glasses lol ok im done venting sorry.

Just go and read the 5.0 Mustang article. You should be able to see it online to get the correct info.

Also this engine has been in the works for a bit now. Lol people kill me who says "The Camaro is the reason you guys got a engine upgrade!) Um...no. The new 5.0 has been in dev since 2007 I think ? So..yeah just check that magazine to the actual factual facts.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

Just go and read the 5.0 Mustang article. You should be able to see it online to get the correct info.

Also this engine has been in the works for a bit now. Lol people kill me who says "The Camaro is the reason you guys got a engine upgrade!) Um...no. The new 5.0 has been in dev since 2007 I think ? So..yeah just check that magazine to the actual factual facts.

Yep, 07 was when work began on the new 5.0.

[rayhawk]

Originally Posted by fazm

first off .3 is pretty big in the power to weight ratio. also as weight increases, power to weight must also increase (a 2000lb car with 10/1 will be quicker than a 3000lb car with 10/1)

fyi last gen m3 (2008ish the 414hp/3726lb) had a power to weight of 9/1. just slightly better than the camaro, weighing in a little less, yet its quicker. not to mention it has under 300ft/lb of torque.

Newton might argue with you about the advantage a 2000 lb car would have over a 3000 lb car with the same p/w ratio. F=ma is not an opinion.

There is more to the story than p/w ratio, of course, but there is no advantage to the lighter car as you said. You have to consider traction, power under the curve (not just peak numbers), gearing, etc.

You are correct that 0.3 is a sizeable difference in p/w ratio, really, the more telling value would be to plot p/w ratio of one car vs. another throughout the rpm range, otherwise you are just looking at the comparison at one point during acceleration. Either way, the 5.0 GT will probably have the advantage through much of the rpm range. When ford releases the dyno graph for the 5.0 we can do a better comparison.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by Stew

I definatly agree on the tires, ya know you can have the best engine/transmission and suspension ever, but you put the wrong size/type tire on there and it's al in vain.

so true. When I upgraded I had Nitto's 285/30's on a 20x10.5 and I spun all day long.Upgraded the meats and its a different story.

Wrong tires =no traction. The SuperSnake vs Henn proves that.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

Actually the Mustang makes 412 on LESS than 93 octane. It made that on the midgrade gas, not 93.

Yep it was 91 Octane. I believe that 91 Octane is where the SS receives its HP ratings from as well.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

Just go and read the 5.0 Mustang article. You should be able to see it online to get the correct info.

Also this engine has been in the works for a bit now. Lol people kill me who says "The Camaro is the reason you guys got a engine upgrade!) Um...no. The new 5.0 has been in dev since 2007 I think ? So..yeah just check that magazine to the actual factual facts.

I think it was wbt that explained why the 5.0L was almost tapped out, from a N/A standpoint.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

Just go and read the 5.0 Mustang article. You should be able to see it online to get the correct info.

Also this engine has been in the works for a bit now. Lol people kill me who says "The Camaro is the reason you guys got a engine upgrade!) Um...no. The new 5.0 has been in dev since 2007 I think ? So..yeah just check that magazine to the actual factual facts.

Kinda like the mustang guys who say, "If it weren't for the mustang you wouldn't have a Camaro."




Don't forget what the name of this site is....


Unfortunately this thread hasn't gone off the wire so I can't even threaten to close it.....


yet.....

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by snakekiller

yeah estimated 500 to 550hp on i think it was 6lbs or 8lbs of boost.
shelby claims that no modification were done to the internals.

Hennessey's HPE550 cranks out ~610 HP on 8lbs of boost. 500 isn't really that impressive in this case IMO.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

Kinda like the mustang guys who say, "If it weren't for the mustang you wouldn't have a Camaro."




Don't forget what the name of this site is....


Unfortunately this thread hasn't gone off the wire so I can't even threaten to close it.....


yet.....

GT500 > SS. There's your reason lol. Doesn't matter if you closed this one or not, there's like 3 other active threads over the same thing right now lol.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by a_Username

GT500 > SS. There's your reason lol. Doesn't matter if you closed this one or not, there's like 3 other active threads over the same thing right now lol.

Sounds like it's time for another merge!!!

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by mrray13

He did post a link to where the cars weigh in close, and after clicking it, I believe it's the one where the Ford guys are supposed to be cracking a joke at the Camaro's weight.

Oh well. Style is subjective, although the 2010 Mustang didn't make the final three cut for World Design Car of the Year, and it's basicly the same car sans new motors, and it's a redesign of the previous body. So what do those people know?

Personally, I think the Mustang is boring. I'm glad the drivetrain as improved though, and I hope the suspense at stoplights now perks up, lol! Someone above me posted the original Mustang wasn't supposed to really stand out, and that the S197 cars tried to duplicate that, well, they succeeded.

Again, I hope the powertrain lives up to the hype! It'll be fun to have some real competition!

I think "aggressive" was the word that I used. Completely different than standing out. I understand that this is a Camaro forum so I will stop there.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I think it was wbt that explained why the 5.0L was almost tapped out, from a N/A standpoint.

Not arguing that. It is nearly to that point in a N/A form imo as well. Just correcting what MICJ82 rant was...because his/her facts were a bit scewed with the orange tint glasses.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by coolman

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Funny thing to me is it was a camaro driver that started the thread in the first place. I said it before and I'll say it again. I don't know why this Camaro vs section is on the forum when it looks like the majority can't handle hearing anything bad about the camaro. I could care less what anybody says about my camaro or my mustang. I like what I like for me and not anyone else. I think if more people had this attitude we could have a friendly vs sections without noops bringing it down with worthless rhetoric.

Equally, it's funny that mustang guys think just because we have a Vs section that they are entitled to come over hear and take shots at the camaro.

Respectful debate is always welcome but the rhetoric and insults are not. From both sides.