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Old 12-27-2009, 08:28 PM   #113
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Lighter weight, sharper handling, smaller steering wheel, nicer interior, engine compartment design. That would be a start.
Still don't get it, I thought it was already far superior to anything out there in every way?
Why would that need an upgrade?
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Old 12-27-2009, 08:34 PM   #114
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Ooooh, a request. The developmental process that has given us the new 5.0L is a fairly radical break from the methodology that led to engines like the 4.6L Mod motor. In a lot of ways it really does remind of the same mindset that led to the current generation III/IV GM smallblocks, everything was done for a reason and there is very little compromise in the design. The more folks learn about this engine the more they will realize that it really doesn't warrant comparison to the Mod motor it will be replacing, it is a far superior design.

As for the argument of how much is left in the engine and how easy it will be to access that extra potential? The 5.0L is very capable and there absolutely is a lot left in the design, some of that will be relatively easy and inexpensive to access and some of it wont. This engine will respond to bolt-ons much better than the Mod motors did, but past a point finding more horsepower will become more expensive than it is in an LS3 outside of going with a power adder.
but but how will it handle FI lol
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Old 12-27-2009, 08:39 PM   #115
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Even though the 4.6L engine has less HP than a 6.2L V8 they both gain the same mod to mod. What I mean is you add typical bolt-ons to a 4.6L V8 and add the same bolt-ons to a 6.2L V8 and both will have the same percentage of gain. For example 25% RWHP will be made on both cars. So neither one is more effiicent, obvioulsy the 426hp car will gain more HP (426+25%=532HP vs. (350+25%=437HP). So don't expect the 5.0L V8 to all of the sudden respond poorly to mods because it its bigger and better.

On top of the new engine the Mustang is lighter and I don't see the weight changing too much, they just refreshed the car this year. Look, I don't like the looks of the new Mustang at all and they have always been a joke without seriuos mods or FI, but this 2011 Mustang is the real deal.
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Stock 350hp 4.6 v8?? what mustang have that motor.
I have never seen a 4.6 mod motor make 437hp without Force Induction, Your entire post is false and uninformed.
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Old 12-27-2009, 08:40 PM   #116
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but but how will it handle FI lol
lol i love when something beats something else stock and the argument goes to "but how will it"... ahh the old "BUT how will it" syndrome.
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Old 12-27-2009, 08:42 PM   #117
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Stock 350hp 4.6 v8?? what mustang have that motor.
I have never seen a 4.6 mod motor make 437hp without Force Induction, Your entire post is false and uninformed.
You can buy a 4.6 from ford with 350hp out of the box...
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=10584
but no it didn't come in any car.
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Old 12-27-2009, 08:46 PM   #118
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You can buy a 4.6 from ford with 350hp out of the box...
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=10584
but no it didn't come in any car.
You don't read posts either.
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Old 12-27-2009, 08:47 PM   #119
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lol i love when something beats something else stock and the argument goes to "but how will it"... ahh the old "BUT how will it" syndrome.
What beat what stock? What are you even talking about?
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Ooooh, a request. The developmental process that has given us the new 5.0L is a fairly radical break from the methodology that led to engines like the 4.6L Mod motor. In a lot of ways it really does remind of the same mindset that led to the current generation III/IV GM smallblocks, everything was done for a reason and there is very little compromise in the design. The more folks learn about this engine the more they will realize that it really doesn't warrant comparison to the Mod motor it will be replacing, it is a far superior design.

As for the argument of how much is left in the engine and how easy it will be to access that extra potential? The 5.0L is very capable and there absolutely is a lot left in the design, some of that will be relatively easy and inexpensive to access and some of it wont. This engine will respond to bolt-ons much better than the Mod motors did, but past a point finding more horsepower will become more expensive than it is in an LS3 outside of going with a power adder.
And that is one of the benifits of OHV over OHC, you can get huge amounts of additional power out of them without spending rediculous money if your criteria is to remain Naturaly asperated. You can significant get more power out of an OHC engine and keep it N.A. but the cost does not warrent it, Thus Ford fans Have chose to go the F.I. route. And thats completely logical, But I am sorry going from a comprestion of 9.9 (4.6 mod motor) to presumeably to 11.0 (coyote) makes the coyote less blower friendly and harder to avoid issues such as detonation.
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Old 12-27-2009, 08:50 PM   #121
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What beat what stock? What are you even talking about?
It's an observation on what people do with arguments of any sort sometimes, when they stop comparing any item stock for stock... they move on to "but how will it" ...
I don't see how that caused you to become "lost"
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You can buy a 4.6 from ford with 350hp out of the box...
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=10584
but no it didn't come in any car.
That is not the stock GT engine. Also what sense would it make for a customer to by a Track pack $35,000 315hp GT, then spend $6000 on a 350 hp 4.6 v8, instead of buying a blower. That does not make sense.
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That is not the stock GT engine. Also what sense would it make for a customer to by a Track pack $35,000 315hp GT, then spend $6000 on a 350 hp 4.6 v8, instead of buying a blower. That does not make sense.
It doesn't make any sense.. when did I say to buy one?

it was just an example for the people saying 412hp on a 5.0 is "too much" ford threw a cam in and changed up the tune and got 350 out of a 4.6 so how is a 5.0 with 412 and not tapped out unbelievable?
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What if SVT decides to to use the 5.0 as the base engine for there FI setup in the GT500 instead of using the 4.6

Can you say OWN3D !!!!!!!
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It doesn't make any sense.. when did I say to buy one?

it was just an example for the people saying 412hp on a 5.0 is "too much" ford threw a cam in and changed up the tune and got 350 out of a 4.6 so how is a 5.0 with 412 and not tapped out unbelievable?
Nobody said any of that. Less trolling and more reading would help you out a lot.
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Nobody said any of that. Less trolling and more reading would help you out a lot.
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