Car and Driver Article

69NMYSS · 02-15-2012, 07:30 PM

The recent Car and Driver that has the ZL1 on the cover (March) has a full article on the '13 GT500. They got to take a ride along on Fords proving grounds. They estimate the BASE price of the '13 GT500 will be $59k. They also estimate it will do 0-60 in 3.7 seconds and the 1/4 in 11.7 seconds. I would say all these estimates are right on. Thats a steep price for a base model, you Ford boys better start saving, especially if you want the performance package and track pack.

ron10 · 02-15-2012, 07:37 PM

i believe the GT500 will run close to 70k out the door.

69NMYSS · 02-15-2012, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ron10

i believe the GT500 will run close to 70k out the door.

I agree with options

ffrcobra_65 · 02-15-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

The recent Car and Driver that has the ZL1 on the cover (March) has a full article on the '13 GT500. They got to take a ride along on Fords proving grounds. They estimate the BASE price of the '13 GT500 will be $59k. They also estimate it will do 0-60 in 3.7 seconds and the 1/4 in 11.7 seconds. I would say all these estimates are right on. Thats a steep price for a base model, you Ford boys better start saving, especially if you want the performance package and track pack.

The Ford boys who have been buying the GT500s aren't exactly the type who need to save to get a $60k car.

BTW, I love your '69. I want one in all orange! I gotta save for it.

69NMYSS · 02-15-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

The Ford boys who have been buying the GT500s aren't exactly the type who need to save to get a $60k car.

Well that is probably true, none the less, it sounds like (all speculation based on Car and Driver) that the fully optioned price out the door will be well over $70k after tax, title, fees.

Thanks for the comment, mine will eventually be orange pearl with grey stripes.

SIRLOIN · 02-15-2012, 07:57 PM

Car and Driver estimates, hmmm...Lets take a look at how good Car and Driver's estimates really are shall we. Here are some good examples

Car and Driver estimates Camaro ZL1 at 47k........
http://blog.caranddriver.com/2012-ch...-around-47000/

This one Car and Driver estimate the ZL1 at 48k-50K
http://2012camarozl1.us/2012_camaro_zl1_reviews.html

This is just a two minute search from Car and Driver's estimates on one car. The ZL1...

Shows you how good their "estimates" really are, and that they are purely speculating based on speculation on what they think the price will be.

Ford has never givin any hint or indication to anyone on what the price will be of the 2013 GT500 and Car and Driver is obviously just guessing.

Obviously their guesses are not so good from the information i posted above. I'm sure if i searched longer i could find hundreds of their estimates on other cars that are so off it's not even funny.

69NMYSS · 02-15-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SIRLOIN

Car and Driver estimates, hmmm...Lets take a look at how good Car and Driver's estimates really are shall we. Here are some good examples

Car and Driver estimates Camaro ZL1 at 47k........
http://blog.caranddriver.com/2012-ch...-around-47000/

This one Car and Driver estimate the ZL1 at 48k-50K
http://2012camarozl1.us/2012_camaro_zl1_reviews.html

This is just a two minute search from Car and Driver's estimates on one car. The ZL1...

Shows you how good their "estimates" really are, and that they are purely speculating based on speculation on what they think the price will be.

Ford has never givin any hint or indication to anyone on what the price will be of the 2013 GT500 and Car and Driver is obviously just guessing.

Obviously their guesses are not so good from the information i posted above. I'm sure if i searched longer i could find hundreds of their estimates on other cars that are so off it's not even funny.

As I stated, it's all speculation, but they seem to think there will surely be a premium over '12 with the additional 100 HP and that seems justified.

SIRLOIN · 02-15-2012, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

As I stated, it's all speculation, but they seem to think there will surely be a premium over '12 with the additional 100 HP and that seems justified.

Yeah, ive heard all this before. Everyone also speculated and guessed that the GT500 would in no way shape or form be able to put ALL that power to the ground. WELL, it looks like from the numbers were are hearing its most certainly putting the power to the ground.

We also heard from everyone how there would be NO WAY in hell the GT500 could be fast around a track. WELL, now we hear that it's faster around the track then the Ford GT...

Seems like everyone's guesses and speculation about traction and performance were WAY off the mark and i expect the same to happen about the price as well...

Until then everyone just keep saying, guessing, hoping the Shelby will be 60k base, 70k loaded...

2ndCamaro79 · 02-15-2012, 08:11 PM

To make things worse those car and driver estimates came in on the low side for the ZL1. So if their estimate for the Shelby proves the same the 2013 price should be well......

Ford also said they benchmarked the performance for the Shelby on the Ford Gt. Chevy benchmarked the Vett GS and 2012 Shelby. The Ford GT was a $150,000 car back in 2005/2006?

Just saying normally cars that hit 200 plus mph do cost 60K

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SIRLOIN · 02-15-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

To make things worse those car and driver estimates came in on the low side for the ZL1. So if their estimate for the Shelby proves the same the 2013 price should be well......

Ford also said they benchmarked the performance for the Shelby on the Ford Gt. Chevy benchmarked the Vett GS and 2012 Shelby. The Ford GT was a $150,000 car back in 2005/2006?

Just saying normally cars that hit 200 plus mph do cost 60K

Yeah i see where your coming from. However, the ZL1 puts up some pretty outstanding numbers/stats itself, and its teetering on supercar performance as well.

What was the price of the ZL1 again?

Also my point about Car and Driver's estimates is that they are guesses, and obviously they guess way off. Just cause the one example i used (ZL1) they guessed way low doesn't mean they guess low on all cars. It's just a guess. You either come in high or low...My point was they don't know jack about the car's prices, just like we dont either...

2ndCamaro79 · 02-15-2012, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SIRLOIN

Yeah i see where your coming from. However, the ZL1 puts up some pretty outstanding numbers/stats itself, and its teetering on supercar performance as well.

What was the price of the ZL1 again?

It has some good numbers but it don't hit 200mph, and its numbers are in line with say a M3. Audi TT RS or CTS-V. From the way Ford is talking it looks like the Shelby will be line with the Vipers, GT-R and Z06

72MachOne99GT · 02-15-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

Just saying normally cars that hit 200 plus mph do cost 60K

Just a curious thought, but what does the Z06 max out at? (going to go search that after I post this lol)

But I'm sure it's very close to 200 mph.

Now, what did it cost when it first come out? Would it have truly cost GM that much to make said car achieve 200 mph?

Now, why is it so hard to believe that ford isn't going to be able to do so?

2ndCamaro79 · 02-15-2012, 08:35 PM

Z06 starts at $75,600K and top speed is 198mph and you know they wish it will hit 200mph, but that cost more of this $$$$$$$$ Plus its only got two seats and is super light, now what would it cost to make a heavier car with four seats and less aero parts hit the magic 200mph???

Betiwin · 02-15-2012, 08:47 PM

53,000 base, + 2400 electronics pack, 4000 Performance pack, 2500 track pack, 2000 glass roof, 1900 Recaros, 395 cover. Those are i bet a lot closer to prices than what most are thinking. Why do you guys think so much? It is the same car, just TVS cost over regular Eaton, driveshaft, bigger brembos, and shocks. Even if blower at cost is 800 more, brakes 800 mores DS, 600 more and 800 more for shocks, that's $4000. Plus 48,500 that's 52,500. All the others stuff cars is already there. Don't get how you guys do your math.

02-15-2012, 07:30 PM	#1
69NMYSS Drives: '69 Camaro SS and '12 ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: CA Posts: 1,274 View My Garage	Car and Driver Article The recent Car and Driver that has the ZL1 on the cover (March) has a full article on the '13 GT500. They got to take a ride along on Fords proving grounds. They estimate the BASE price of the '13 GT500 will be $59k. They also estimate it will do 0-60 in 3.7 seconds and the 1/4 in 11.7 seconds. I would say all these estimates are right on. Thats a steep price for a base model, you Ford boys better start saving, especially if you want the performance package and track pack. __________________

02-15-2012, 08:47 PM	#14
Betiwin Drives: CTS-V Coupe and GT500 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 189	53,000 base, + 2400 electronics pack, 4000 Performance pack, 2500 track pack, 2000 glass roof, 1900 Recaros, 395 cover. Those are i bet a lot closer to prices than what most are thinking. Why do you guys think so much? It is the same car, just TVS cost over regular Eaton, driveshaft, bigger brembos, and shocks. Even if blower at cost is 800 more, brakes 800 mores DS, 600 more and 800 more for shocks, that's $4000. Plus 48,500 that's 52,500. All the others stuff cars is already there. Don't get how you guys do your math. Last edited by Betiwin; 02-15-2012 at 10:52 PM.

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02-15-2012, 07:37 PM	#2
ron10 Drives: 2010 2SS IOM L99 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: LOUISVILLE,KY.. Posts: 7,545	i believe the GT500 will run close to 70k out the door.

02-15-2012, 07:57 PM	#6
SIRLOIN Banned Drives: Ms. Daisy Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Nashville,Tn Posts: 400	Car and Driver estimates, hmmm...Lets take a look at how good Car and Driver's estimates really are shall we. Here are some good examples Car and Driver estimates Camaro ZL1 at 47k........ http://blog.caranddriver.com/2012-ch...-around-47000/ This one Car and Driver estimate the ZL1 at 48k-50K http://2012camarozl1.us/2012_camaro_zl1_reviews.html This is just a two minute search from Car and Driver's estimates on one car. The ZL1... Shows you how good their "estimates" really are, and that they are purely speculating based on speculation on what they think the price will be. Ford has never givin any hint or indication to anyone on what the price will be of the 2013 GT500 and Car and Driver is obviously just guessing. Obviously their guesses are not so good from the information i posted above. I'm sure if i searched longer i could find hundreds of their estimates on other cars that are so off it's not even funny.

02-15-2012, 08:11 PM	#9
2ndCamaro79 Drives: 2014 V-Sport/ 2015 Escalade Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 939	To make things worse those car and driver estimates came in on the low side for the ZL1. So if their estimate for the Shelby proves the same the 2013 price should be well...... Ford also said they benchmarked the performance for the Shelby on the Ford Gt. Chevy benchmarked the Vett GS and 2012 Shelby. The Ford GT was a $150,000 car back in 2005/2006? Just saying normally cars that hit 200 plus mph do cost 60K More 10th Place - Ferrari 575M Maranello Top Speed: 202 mph MSRP: $ 218,000 (USA) Video: 1 9th Place - Aston Martin Vanquish S Top Speed: 203 mph MSRP: $ 255,000 (USA) Video: 1 7th & 8th Place (tie) - Porsche Carrera GT Top Speed: 205 mph MSRP: $ 440,000 (USA) Video: 1 \| 2 \| 3 \| 4 7th & 8th Place (tie) - Ford GT Top Speed: 205 mph MSRP: $ 150,000 (USA) Video: 1 \| 2 \| 3 6th Place - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Top Speed: 208 mph MSRP: $ 455,500 (USA) Video: 1 5th Place - Spyker C8 Double 12S Top Speed: 187 to 215 mph MSRP: $ 325,000 (USA) Video: 1 4th Place - Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 Top Speed: 218 mph MSRP: $ 280,000 (NON-LP640 version) Video: 1 3rd Place - Koenigsegg CCX Top Speed: 245 mph MSRP: $ 540,000 (USA) Video: 1 2nd Place - Saleen S7 Twin Turbo Top Speed: 248 mph (drag limited, mfr's claim) MSRP: $ 555,000 (USA) Video: 1 1st Place - Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Top Speed: 253 mph MSRP: $ 1,300,000 (USA) Video: 1

02-15-2012, 08:35 PM	#13
2ndCamaro79 Drives: 2014 V-Sport/ 2015 Escalade Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 939	Z06 starts at $75,600K and top speed is 198mph and you know they wish it will hit 200mph, but that cost more of this $$$$$$$$ Plus its only got two seats and is super light, now what would it cost to make a heavier car with four seats and less aero parts hit the magic 200mph???