Updated CAFE Standards

Cam#7 · 07-29-2011, 09:39 AM

Here's a link on new CAFE Standards announced today:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43936296/ns/business-autos/

evan · 07-29-2011, 09:51 AM

Wow... Will V8's ever meet that requirement? lol.

SlingShot · 07-29-2011, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by evan

Wow... Will V8's ever meet that requirement? lol.

They don't have to, it's a fleet standard or average.

evan · 07-29-2011, 09:56 AM

Gotcha, makes sense... also kind've relieved, lol.

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Originally Posted by SlingShot

They don't have to, it's a fleet standard or average.

Cam#7 · 07-29-2011, 10:09 AM

What's the current CAFE fleet standard ???

The Stig · 07-29-2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SlingShot

They don't have to, it's a fleet standard or average.

thank you. So many people don't realize that CAFE is for the average fuel economy for a company's entire line

Xello · 07-29-2011, 10:49 AM

CAFE = Corporate Average Fuel Economy

Havok · 07-29-2011, 10:52 AM

It never ended Ferrari, Porsche, and Maseratis from selling cars in the US. They just pay the penalty.

"A number of manufacturers choose to pay CAFE penalties rather than attempt to comply with the regulations. As of model year 2006, BMW, DaimlerChrysler, Volkswagen, Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati failed to meet CAFE requirements.[24]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora...e_Fuel_Economy

Todd3544 · 07-29-2011, 11:05 AM

Plus US companies can get "fuel credits" that are rewarded by the government from building hybrids and alternative vehicles which also increase their fleet average. MB went out and invested in those little golf carts that are street legal, which sent their fleet average through the roof. That's how they build a AMG that gets 12/16, and pay no penalties. Plus its all political anyways, so it really never matters.

*The_Blur* · 07-29-2011, 11:07 AM

It is worth pointing out that CAFE is weighted by production. For instance, the Corvette affects GM far less than the Cruze because GM produces and sells fewer Corvettes than Cruzes. As a consequence, the Cruze helps GM more than the Corvette hurts GM.

motorhead · 07-29-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Blur

It is worth pointing out that CAFE is weighted by production. For instance, the Corvette affects GM far less than the Cruze because GM produces and sells fewer Corvettes than Cruzes. As a consequence, the Cruze helps GM more than the Corvette hurts GM.

But on the other hand, The camaro could have a real impact in the average with the production numbers they've been putting up.

AZCamaroFan · 07-29-2011, 12:58 PM

Exactly. People can say it's an average all they want, but that is a huge number. There aren't any cars today that are even getting that number on the highway, other than hybrid's.

Cam#7 · 07-29-2011, 01:54 PM

Well, lots of good information shared here. Sounds like the CAFE standard for 2010 was 27.5 when the Gen5 came out. So between the V6 and V8 it was right around the targeted average. The average for 2015 is 36.7. That's going to take a much lighter body and more fuel efficiency.

Maybe someone could do the math and estimate the mpg using todays engines but on a 3,200 lb. frame versus a 3,700 lb. frame.

Soloshawn · 07-29-2011, 04:40 PM

With the new Government standards starting in 2017 will this kill the supposed new 6th Gen Camaro? At 54 mpg even with some really high mpg cars to balance out the lower mpg cars the end of the big V8 is very near. I will be keeping my 5th Gen car forever now. Chevrolet would keep the Corvette as it's low mpg car for performance and drop the Camaro.

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AZCamaroFan Camaro6 2016-2018 Drives: sometimes Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 18,468	Exactly. People can say it's an average all they want, but that is a huge number. There aren't any cars today that are even getting that number on the highway, other than hybrid's. __________________

07-29-2011, 01:54 PM	#13
Cam#7 Drives: 2011 2LT IBM / SIM stripe 6M Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: STL Posts: 863	Well, lots of good information shared here. Sounds like the CAFE standard for 2010 was 27.5 when the Gen5 came out. So between the V6 and V8 it was right around the targeted average. The average for 2015 is 36.7. That's going to take a much lighter body and more fuel efficiency. Maybe someone could do the math and estimate the mpg using todays engines but on a 3,200 lb. frame versus a 3,700 lb. frame. __________________

07-29-2011, 09:51 AM	#2
evan ready... Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 765 View My Garage	Wow... Will V8's ever meet that requirement? lol.

07-29-2011, 10:49 AM	#7
Xello Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Kenosha, WI Posts: 387 View My Garage	CAFE = Corporate Average Fuel Economy

07-29-2011, 10:52 AM	#8
Havok Drives: 2010 IBM 2LT RS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: RI Posts: 1,484	It never ended Ferrari, Porsche, and Maseratis from selling cars in the US. They just pay the penalty. "A number of manufacturers choose to pay CAFE penalties rather than attempt to comply with the regulations. As of model year 2006, BMW, DaimlerChrysler, Volkswagen, Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati failed to meet CAFE requirements.[24]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora...e_Fuel_Economy

07-29-2011, 11:05 AM	#9
Todd3544 Drives: 12 Camaro 2SS/RS, 11 Denali, 08 HD Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Jacksonville FL Posts: 157	Plus US companies can get "fuel credits" that are rewarded by the government from building hybrids and alternative vehicles which also increase their fleet average. MB went out and invested in those little golf carts that are street legal, which sent their fleet average through the roof. That's how they build a AMG that gets 12/16, and pay no penalties. Plus its all political anyways, so it really never matters.

07-29-2011, 04:40 PM	#14
Soloshawn Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Kenmore, Washington Posts: 191	End of Camaro as we know it? With the new Government standards starting in 2017 will this kill the supposed new 6th Gen Camaro? At 54 mpg even with some really high mpg cars to balance out the lower mpg cars the end of the big V8 is very near. I will be keeping my 5th Gen car forever now. Chevrolet would keep the Corvette as it's low mpg car for performance and drop the Camaro.

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