5.0L Coyote engine being test in Mustang Mule

[GatorBlue371]

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/25/s...-mustang-mule/



I have seen these pics before im sorry if this is a repost.

[KILLER74Z28]

This is definitely going to heat things up in the muscle car area. It will be interesting to see what answers GM and Chrysler have for this…

[nester7929]

2011 can't come fast enough.

[GatorBlue371]

Should be interesting how much Weight will be added.



And then of course if Ford ever decides to go with an IRS.

[nester7929]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Should be interesting how much Weight will be added.



And then of course if Ford ever decides to go with an IRS.

Shouldn't weigh much more. It's still an aluminum block, and I'm guessing they just took the 4.6, bored it out and made some other improvements. Shouldn't be a huge weight increase.

Ford probably won't put IRS in. I think I see what Ford is trying to do. They're going to try to make the 5.0 put out around 400-hp, but it will weigh less than the Camaro. They'll keep the live axel to cut costs so they can have a faster Mustang for less than a Camaro.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by nester7929

Shouldn't weigh much more. It's still an aluminum block, and I'm guessing they just took the 4.6, bored it out and made some other improvements. Shouldn't be a huge weight increase.

Ford probably won't put IRS in. I think I see what Ford is trying to do. They're going to try to make the 5.0 put out around 400-hp, but it will weigh less than the Camaro. They'll keep the live axel to cut costs so they can have a faster Mustang for less than a Camaro.

That is a good strategy. I'm hoping they put in IRS, though. I think that Ford has recently been focused on being more technologically advanced with such features as Sync. Adding IRS would definitely help with that agenda.

[nester7929]

Oh don't get me wrong, I'd love to drive a Mustang that doesn't toss me about in the cabin, but I'd be perfectly content with buying a 5.0 for less than 30k.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by nester7929

Shouldn't weigh much more. It's still an aluminum block, and I'm guessing they just took the 4.6, bored it out and made some other improvements. Shouldn't be a huge weight increase.

Ford probably won't put IRS in. I think I see what Ford is trying to do. They're going to try to make the 5.0 put out around 400-hp, but it will weigh less than the Camaro. They'll keep the live axel to cut costs so they can have a faster Mustang for less than a Camaro.

idk as much as i want to agree with you, i dont know how Ford would keep the $$ below the Camaro putting in this new 5.0L w/ all the upgrades they have made...


I mean, with all the stuff they have added that should be more than a 1k price increase just factory cost.


... Unless they were completely ripping people off before haha.

[Hesh]

Well the engine is not a bored over 4.6, its a destroked 5.4. There is also no way they are going to keep it under the price of a Camaro unless you buy the base model with no upgrades. The price difference between the two equally optioned is only $1500 now. I dont think with the new enigne and transmisson you are going to keep the price you are looking for. With the upgrades in drivetrain you are looking at added weight. They gained weight just with a few changes in body panels from last year to this one. The further upgrades, drivetrain and upgraded safety are going to add weight too. I say around 3700lbs for the new Mustang. Once again tho this is all just internet speculation until the numbers are actually done and in print.

[Mr. Wyndham]

I want to guess that a Mustang with this "Coyote" engine tips the scales at ~3600......

[Txturbo]

But by then the Camaro will have upped the HP. Throughout history GM has made mechanical improvements on odd numbered years and cosmetic changes on even numbered years. So I'm sure 2011 will bring more power or a different motor.

[nUcLeArEnVoY]

Haha, funny. 2011 is like 1971; the beginning of which was the apex of the musclecars. Hopefully it won't die down again the following year, though.

[nester7929]

Originally Posted by Txturbo

But by then the Camaro will have upped the HP. Throughout history GM has made mechanical improvements on odd numbered years and cosmetic changes on even numbered years. So I'm sure 2011 will bring more power or a different motor.

GM isn't going to overhaul the Camaro the year after it's introduced, especially since the Camaro already has their best engines in it (excluding the specialty engines that power the z06/zr-1). They'll allow 3 or so years for the brand to make all the sales it can, and then introduce something new to drive up sales again.

The Gen V engines should start showing up in 2-4 years depending on how much money GM is able to throw at R&D while staying afloat. I'm willing to bet that there won't be a new powerplant in the Camaro until the Gen Vs are here.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by nester7929

GM isn't going to overhaul the Camaro the year after it's introduced, especially since the Camaro already has their best engines in it (excluding the specialty engines that power the z06/zr-1). They'll allow 3 or so years for the brand to make all the sales it can, and then introduce something new to drive up sales again.

The Gen V engines should start showing up in 2-4 years depending on how much money GM is able to throw at R&D while staying afloat. I'm willing to bet that there won't be a new powerplant in the Camaro until the Gen Vs are here.

i don't think they will be adjusting ANYTHING to do with engines.



GM will respond in one of 3 ways.


A. They do nothing. They believe the SS will still outsell its competition and that it is still the best car out there.

B. They come out with a higher performance model that is capable of attracting a buyer who might have gone to an SRT or GT500.

C. They offer benefits that match the competition while delivering a superior product. (0% financing Etc.)