[AEP11]

LOL. First off ill say put down the magazines and mouse.

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Yes, there are nearly 20,000 392 Challengers on the street since 2011. Proof?


Z/28: 0-60 in 4.1; 12.38 @ 117.0 mph

Please elaborate on how this is "shitty" for a 3,800lb car with a manual transmission and no launch control putting 455hp/420ft-lbs to the ground.

Its shitty bc it isnt an 11 sec car. It doesnt need launch control with 305 race tires. Last i heard a manual puts more power to the ground and traps higher. What do C6Z's weigh? 3200lbs? Thats a 600lb difference but those cars have been high 10's BONE STOCK with the same engine. 1000lbs=1 sec in the 1/4 roughly right? So at 4200lbs that car should be able to make an 11sec pass right? Whats the prob? Its a half second off of that while being 400lbs lighter. As i said its put down shitty 1/4 time thus far for its power to weight ratio.

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

It also has AWD, launch control, a DCT, and more power (470hp/450ft-lbs to the ground).

What does this have to do with the Hellcat? Nothing. I brought it up bc you said its a no no to bring up z28 1/4 times due to it not being a "drag car". The GTR was not built for the strip period. Its great on a road course and its already been stated by your beloved mags that if it had tires as good as the z28 it would rape it on the playground the Z was designed for. Also last i checked a DCT wasnt designed for the drag strip. Pretty sure 2spd powerglides are popular there. As far as more power. So it puts down 20 more hp yet runs 8mph faster in the 1/4 at the same weight. Man that Z's crazy impressive i tell ya.

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

So Dodge can't engineer a car to accommodate wider tires? They can't choose ANY manufacturer to provide tires for them? Dodge cuts corners and that's somehow the Camaro's fault? Please explain.

Not at all but its silly to compare tires from a track built car thats gutted with no ac, speakers, or carpet that comes with basically street leagal slicks that come in at 305.

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

You mean to say a 0.5 sec ET and 5mph trap is a "drivers race"? The Z/28 is trapping 117 mph consistently. That is 172ft/sec. Which equates to 86ft ahead of the Challenger. That is two school buses and pulling my friend.

See when I read this it almost made me not even respond at all.

Its a 172ft/sec @ 117mph! The Z28 only reaches 117mph at the finish line. It DOES NOT carry that from the second the light turns green my friend. The race would be a few car lengths at most.

I have never seen two 12 sec cars go at it down the strip and said "man that was a raping, that 12.8 car should have never ran that 12.3 car". I mean really they are both 12sec cars.

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

I don't want them to be leagues apart. I don't want to frame any conversation around a Z/28 at a drag strip! That is not the intended purpose of this car. You can balk at the performance of the Cayman S at the drag strip too - that's not what the car was created for. Put it on a track and it changes everything.

Excuses excuses.

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Let me say it again, the Z/28 was NOT designed to be a drag car. There is the COPO for that. If you think it is fair to compare the Z/28 and 392 Challenger at the drag strip then it is only fair we compare them on a road course too.

Thats fine with me. Compare all you want. Both are physically able to drive on a road course so in reality its possible. I have zero problems saying when the 392 is outgunned. You can compare them and ill say the 392 has no chance. What i wont say is you cant put a 392 on a road course bc it isnt a "road course" car.

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

You think an extra 15hp in the scat pack is really going to shave 0.5 sec off the E.T. and make it trap 5mph faster? Please elaborate.

You forgot the one thing that will make it happen. The 8spd. Dodge is literally advertising the 392 as a low 12sec car. That would mean 12.3 or lower to me. You better believe when owners get their hands on them there will be 11sec bone stock passes from a 485hp 4200lb car with 255 crap street tires. Something the more powerful, lighter z28 with WORLDS better rubber isnt doing.

So to answer your ques. .5 sec? Yes. 5mph? Idk. I could see 3. I could see it peaking at 117.

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

In a straight line, I should hope so. If Dodge fails to do this then they are even more hopeless than they appear. But will it be the better car? The GT500 was faster in every straight-line test vs the ZL1 but the ZL1 was consistently deemed the winner as it was the better car.

Again put down the mags. I can promise you the vast majority of gear heads would take the GT500 over the ZL1. Outside of this forum of course.

Forget the ZL1. I promise you the Hell Cat will destroy that car at the strip. Its benchmark is the GT500. We are literally discussing well reported cases of this car running 10sec passes off the trailer. Nearly a full sec quicker than the beast of a car GT500.

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

The other question will be price. How much is Dodge going to charge for the 392 dung pack and hell kitten? They realized they priced the SRT's too high and released the "core" models to better compete. Sadly this hasn't translated into competitive sales for the Challenger.

You're green with envy.

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Not according to AEP11 - it's apparently a "drivers race" if ET's are within 0.5 sec and traps within 5 mph.

Challenger SRT8
C&D: 0-60 in 4.5, 12.9 1/4mile at 114mph, 4203lbs
MotorTrend: 0-60 in 4.6, 13.0 1/4mile at 111.3mph, 4260lbs
Edmunds: 0-60 in 4.7, 12.9 1/4mile at 111.0mph, 4257lbs
Edmunds: 0-60 in 4.5, 12.6 1/4mile at 112.1mph, 4257lbs

Camaro SS
Motor Trend: 13.1 sec @ 110.8 mph
Car and Driver: 13.0 sec @ 111 mph
Road & Track: 13.0 sec @ 110.7 mph
Inside Line: 13.1 sec @ 110.4 mph

I have no prob saying the SS and 392 is a drivers race. 5.0 392 and SS are all close enough to be a drivers race.

No more long responses please! Sheesh! LOL