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Originally Posted by newmoon
What makes you so sure it will be slower than the GT500? I'd be willing to bet stock vs stock this Hellcat will win more races on the street and strip due to the 8-speed automatic.
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Power to weight ratio for one. The GT500 has it. You seem to forget the Hellcat is also available with a 6-speed manual. Guess which one will be included in the inevitable GT500/ZL1/Hellcat comparisons?
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Originally Posted by newmoon
Look at what the bolt-on ZL1 automatic cars are running,
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The difference between the fastest ZL1 auto and manual times are:
M6: 12.075 @ 120.01 MPH
A6: 11.717 @ 117.61 MPH
So while the ET is 3/10 lower, the trap is 3mph lower as well. Per your statement above, even if the ET's are close between the GT500 and Hellcat, the GT500 will take it from a roll every time due to P/W advantage.
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Originally Posted by newmoon
the Hellcat will most likely start off with similar stock rwhp. It also has fully forged internals, a twin screw supercharger, it will beg for boost modifications.
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You
really think the Hellcat will be making 600hp/600lb-ft at the wheels?
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Originally Posted by newmoon
You also understand that the Hellcat will weigh approx. 2-3% more than the ZL1, and should have a significant hp advantage over it.
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Your math is fuzzy. Based on projected weight*:
GT500 manual 3891lbs
ZL1 manual 4118lbs
Hellcat manual* 4300-4400lbs
That's 4.2-6.4% additional weight over the ZL1 and 9.5-11.6% additional weight over the GT500. To have the same power/weight ratio as the GT500, the Hellcat would have to put 660hp/ft-lbs TO THE GROUND which isn't happening.
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Originally Posted by rocket403
We are now living in the best time for Pony/Muscle Cars I thought going through the 80's and 90's and most of 2000's that we were long past the glory days of the factory Muscle Car, even the Vette was not the car is was back in the day. 69 427 Vette 70 442 W30 Cutlass, 70 Chevelle 454, Copo 427 Camaro, 70 Hemi Cuda, 70 Hemi Roadrunner have now all been upstaged by the current Camaro, Mustang and Challenger in 1/4mile and track performance. The Hellcat has continued that performance tradition of the big three.
A disaster wow I don't see it, I guess everything that is not a Chevy for you is junk can't see past your own dashboard I guess.
I could point out some issues with all of these cars like weight, back seat room, trunk space the list could go on.
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Agree. I think the concern is that Dodge has had 3 years to top the ZL1 and 2 years to top the GT500 and from the looks of it, it won't beat either in their respective strengths. I just hope it's not like the Viper debut. It was a pretty big failure in not outperforming the 6 yr/old ZR1 and sales of the Viper reflect this.