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Originally Posted by Martinjlm
Car & Driver, CNBC, and other media sources buy vehicle sales data from S&P Global. I work at S&P Global and have the same data they buy at my fingertips real-time. So basically, I could be their source. 
The first picture is a part of my dashboard where I can go in and pull the data live.
The second picture is from the July 10th edition of Automotive News reporting June 23 sales compared to June 22 sales for F-series. It also compares 6-month sales for each year.
The third picture is the same thing, but for Tesla. I'm not totally certain whose numbers AN uses, but they buy forecast data from us and at least two other forecasting suppliers that I know of. They probably do their own analysis based on information from multiple data sources.
The fourth picture is from a live pull of sales by quarter for F-Series (and this includes F-150, F-250, F-250 Super Duty, and F-350. Technically, F-250 Super Duty and F-350 are commercial vehicles and should be subtracted from these numbers, but since a few people do buy them as personal vehicles, I've included them. I highlighted in green which vehicle led each quarter in sales. F-series leads every quarter in the US, but the lead is shrinking. Model Y leads every quarter except one globally and the lead is growing.
That enough source info? End of June '23 recent enough? |
Good morning. I want to take a moment to say that you and I have gone back and forth on this topic for quite some time now, and during that time you have been polite and kept the discussion centered around the topic, never straying into personal attacks. That's one reason I enjoy our exchanges. I hope I've done the same in my interactions with you.
Now to your data.
First, although on a personal level I trust that you're honestly presenting data, I maintain that you have an inherent professional bias. This is what you do for a living and it would be unwise to post on a public forum anything that isn't in accord with your company's position on EVs.
Second, I respectfully decline to accept data that is not publicly available, nor do I accept an argument that essentially says, I'm an expert, you're not, I have data that's not available to you and I expect you to accept that data as a part of my position.
I do believe you're an expert in this field, but as a matter of principle I do not accept arguments that require me to accept something on faith. Cite an independent source, with links, and I'll acknowledge that you're correct. Post pictures of things on your desktop that I can't verify and I won't.