04-10-2023, 11:04 AM | #1 |
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Tune Required For Headers?
Originally I was just going to do a Stainless Works axle back setup but now I am considering headers, X pipe, and catback. Would that require a tune?
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04-10-2023, 11:15 AM | #2 |
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I believe the general consensus is yes. In stock form, there is no advantage to long tubes over the factory header. I bought this car with the mods already on it and as a package, it does feel better than my first, all stock car did. But if you are doing it just to get louder exhaust, that's a lot of money for some noise. For what it's worth, Stainless Works stuff is nice quality.
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04-10-2023, 11:29 AM | #3 |
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Tune required for headers and x-pipe. Should be around ~450rwhp after tune. (from the stock ~385ish rwhp)
Best bang for the buck is headers over aftermarket axle back exhaust. (CON- you will normally void your powertrain warranty with a tune depends your local GM dealer)
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04-11-2023, 07:42 AM | #4 |
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You're saying that headers and mid pipe gain ~65rwhp on an SS (450 minus 385)? That is a very optimistic number. We've seen tests on the SS, and they've been gaining 15 to 25 at the wheels, yes that was installing long tubes, modding or changing the mid section, and tuning for them. Don't want the OP to get an unrealistic expectation here.
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04-11-2023, 08:20 AM | #5 |
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Anything affecting the primary cats will need a tune, plus you would want a tune to maximize the gains anyway.
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04-11-2023, 09:28 AM | #7 | |
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04-11-2023, 09:48 AM | #8 |
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rwhp is nice to show/post but torque is what you feel! It dyno'ed back then at 453 torque, and was a vast improvement from stock. Best bang for the buck rather than the aftermarket exhaust people normally do first which has very little gains. (The stock exhaust suitcase is good for ~1000 hp anyways but is a lead anchor compared to the aftermarket stuff in weight)
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I was probably working with various dynos when you were a kid...lmao And you are not stating anything new that a speed shop would not know. Take your preaching somewhere else unless you can add color to this post
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As far as that crap about preaching, trying to give accurate data, when someone like you had given optimistic numbers, is just doing a favor for the guys who want to know what reality is. Now we know that the numbers you posted were actually irrelevant to the OP's car, coming from a totally different car than his. |
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to drive around? no. i did 2" long tubes, orx & custom 3" exhaust on my car and put maybe 1000 miles on it before i got it tuned. it was louder and smellier, but that's about it. no issues with running & driving. no performance gain to be had and the CEL was on. i had the car tuned on ethanol with a ported LT1 manifold and picked up 6 mph in the 1/4 from stock. 18 ss 1LE
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04-12-2023, 05:43 AM | #14 |
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Headers and no tune creates a dangerous lean condition. Driving around town you may be ok, but getting on it/accelerating briskly will increase the risk of engine damage significantly. Your ecm can not sufficiently adjust for the addition of headers. Why ever risk it?
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