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Joe.G · 10-21-2021, 08:15 PM

Hi, I was thinking of installing these on my 14 2SS, I just did a lot of suspension work and had the car re aligned, Will I need to have another alignment after installing these?

Are these worth it?
Any installation tips?
Do I need to time the bushings with these? Final tightening with vehicle weight on the car? I was not planning on using a drive on lift.

I was going to install these using the height of a jack only.

Any brand better then the others for these?

Thanks

https://pedders.com/products/ep6578-...maro-2010-2015

CamaroCracka · 10-21-2021, 08:42 PM

Definitely worth it. Chevy put a really hard version in the Z28s. Prothane used to make some for under $40 and now it looks like Whiteline is selling them.

This link could be of interest.
https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=394505

Joe.G · 10-21-2021, 09:05 PM

I just ordered the Pedders Inserts, But now I am seeing Prothane has a set that looks beefier and cheaper, I'll probably keep the Pedders unless you guys think I should go the Prothane route.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ptp-7-239

olblue75 · 10-21-2021, 09:07 PM

I have a set of the JPSS inserts an they make the steering much more precise an positive.

terry_b · 10-21-2021, 09:09 PM

I have a 1LE and I replaced the OEM inserts with Pedders to start - minor difference. Then the pressed in part of the bushing started failing, so I ended up getting the Z28 version of the whole arm to replace. That was a world of difference!

If you have no inserts, then you'll feel better with them, but check out the condition of the arms themselves first and see about the Z28 arms. It's a pretty easy replacement just on jack stands, and well worth it. You're going to want an alignment after - my toe was off a bit afterward.

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Joe.G · 10-21-2021, 09:12 PM

Terry your toe was off after replacing the whole arm? I saw pictures you posted when you did your inserts and your Bushings were shot at that point, My car is right around 14 K very little suspension wear on the parts I have changed so far.

Olblue the JPSS ones look like what and are made from what? They are no longer available I don't think.

terry_b · 10-21-2021, 09:27 PM

Yeah, mine is a daily driver so definitely a lot more wear. If you're not putting many miles on it, you might be alright without another alignment. My toe was off enough to make the car feel like it was weaving a bit under hard acceleration or deceleration.

It's definitely a really solid upgrade. Steering feel is much more firm and precise.

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AlanRubin · 10-21-2021, 10:39 PM

I am using the Whiteline inserts.

gtstorey · 10-21-2021, 11:01 PM

The JPSS are made of aluminum and JPSS is out of business.

KillboyPowerhead · 10-22-2021, 05:56 AM

If simply installing the inserts (the old ones just pull right out and the new ones push in - effortless), as long as your alignment is good now you won't need an alignment afterward because the hole in the frame is not elongated, just a regular circular hole (although if you haven't had an alignment in awhile it wouldn't be a bad idea to get it checked anyway).

Just make sure to measure the distance from the centre of the wheel to the fender before jacking up the car, and then when reinstalling the radius rod bolt jack up the knuckle to this same height so as to "preload" the suspension (i.e. time/clock the bushings).

CamaroCracka · 10-22-2021, 08:04 AM

I think the Z28 arms are no longer available.

Joe.G · 10-22-2021, 08:19 AM

Ok, Sounds like a plan with the measuring, Alignment was just done along with Other suspension parts and timing the bushings. I have the Pedders inserts on the the way. I am assuming this is a straight forward installation.

terry_b · 10-22-2021, 08:32 AM

Very straightforward. Lift the car up, remove the radius arm bolt, and drop the end of the arm down a bit. Push the inserts into the void in the bushing (2 per arm), then move the arm back into place and reinstall the bolt.

Measuring is a good idea, but I actually just dropped the car onto the ground and slid under the front to torque that bolt down.

Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk

Joe.G · 10-22-2021, 08:35 AM

Yeah I was going to see if i can reach it when its on the ground. I am going to go out to my shop in a bit to check, Wish i thought of this before as I am replacing all the fluids today and will have the car up.

10-21-2021, 08:15 PM	#1
Joe.G Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 6SP Ashen Grey Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: NY Posts: 1,275	Front Radius Rod Bushing Insert, Installation questions. Hi, I was thinking of installing these on my 14 2SS, I just did a lot of suspension work and had the car re aligned, Will I need to have another alignment after installing these? Are these worth it? Any installation tips? Do I need to time the bushings with these? Final tightening with vehicle weight on the car? I was not planning on using a drive on lift. I was going to install these using the height of a jack only. Any brand better then the others for these? Thanks https://pedders.com/products/ep6578-...maro-2010-2015 __________________ GM 3.91/TrueTrac OEM ZL1 Rims, Brakes & Side Skirts.ACST4 Splitter/Deflectors NPP M2W,GM Short Throw,Remote Clutch reservoir GPI Ported Rod Mod,BO White PTB,CAI/JRE Scoop, Moroso Catch Can GC Aluminum DS Stainless Works Ceramic LTH/HiFlo Cats SCT X4 Dynosteve, Hotckis 1" Springs & Chassis Max Brace BMR Adjustable Swaybars,Trailing Arms, Adjustable Toe Rod, LCA & Z28 UCA Bushings Hendrix Solid Cradle Bushings Pedders Radius Rod Inserts Strut tower brace Hero Smoked Tail and 3rd Brake Light, Diode Dynamic SL1 Fog Lights AeroForce Dual gauge/Autometer pillar mount.

10-21-2021, 08:42 PM	#2
CamaroCracka Drives: 2010 Turbo LS3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 2,780	Definitely worth it. Chevy put a really hard version in the Z28s. Prothane used to make some for under $40 and now it looks like Whiteline is selling them. This link could be of interest. https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=394505 __________________ 2010 SS - On3 kit with downpipe cutout, CTR 78/80, CompCam 239/251 620/632 122+4, E85, Z28 suspension and ZL1 diff with Outlaw axles. Gen6 ZL1/1LE brakes. 2011 Vert - 416/w 230/236 .612/.602 115lsa, 1LE suspension w/32mm rear bar. Z28 diff. ZL1 brakes.

10-21-2021, 09:05 PM	#3
Joe.G Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 6SP Ashen Grey Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: NY Posts: 1,275	I just ordered the Pedders Inserts, But now I am seeing Prothane has a set that looks beefier and cheaper, I'll probably keep the Pedders unless you guys think I should go the Prothane route. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ptp-7-239 __________________ GM 3.91/TrueTrac OEM ZL1 Rims, Brakes & Side Skirts.ACST4 Splitter/Deflectors NPP M2W,GM Short Throw,Remote Clutch reservoir GPI Ported Rod Mod,BO White PTB,CAI/JRE Scoop, Moroso Catch Can GC Aluminum DS Stainless Works Ceramic LTH/HiFlo Cats SCT X4 Dynosteve, Hotckis 1" Springs & Chassis Max Brace BMR Adjustable Swaybars,Trailing Arms, Adjustable Toe Rod, LCA & Z28 UCA Bushings Hendrix Solid Cradle Bushings Pedders Radius Rod Inserts Strut tower brace Hero Smoked Tail and 3rd Brake Light, Diode Dynamic SL1 Fog Lights AeroForce Dual gauge/Autometer pillar mount.

10-21-2021, 09:07 PM	#4
olblue75 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clarksville Tennesse. Posts: 6,070	I have a set of the JPSS inserts an they make the steering much more precise an positive. __________________ Orange Krush II 1LE Front sway bar, Splitter, shocks and struts, Z28 dual mode mufflers, Intake, UCA Bushings, and Toresen 3.91 Diff. 1 piece DSS Drive Shaft, ZL1/C7 Calipers, and 32mm JPSS Rear Bar. ASC race spec splitter and wicker. 6th Gen M017 Wheels. Stainless Works 1 7/8 LTs. DSE and PAFDT Suspension components.

10-21-2021, 09:09 PM	#5
terry_b Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Hudson, MA Posts: 1,387 View My Garage	I have a 1LE and I replaced the OEM inserts with Pedders to start - minor difference. Then the pressed in part of the bushing started failing, so I ended up getting the Z28 version of the whole arm to replace. That was a world of difference! If you have no inserts, then you'll feel better with them, but check out the condition of the arms themselves first and see about the Z28 arms. It's a pretty easy replacement just on jack stands, and well worth it. You're going to want an alignment after - my toe was off a bit afterward. Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk __________________ 2014 2SS/RS 1LE

10-21-2021, 09:12 PM	#6
Joe.G Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 6SP Ashen Grey Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: NY Posts: 1,275	Terry your toe was off after replacing the whole arm? I saw pictures you posted when you did your inserts and your Bushings were shot at that point, My car is right around 14 K very little suspension wear on the parts I have changed so far. Olblue the JPSS ones look like what and are made from what? They are no longer available I don't think. __________________ GM 3.91/TrueTrac OEM ZL1 Rims, Brakes & Side Skirts.ACST4 Splitter/Deflectors NPP M2W,GM Short Throw,Remote Clutch reservoir GPI Ported Rod Mod,BO White PTB,CAI/JRE Scoop, Moroso Catch Can GC Aluminum DS Stainless Works Ceramic LTH/HiFlo Cats SCT X4 Dynosteve, Hotckis 1" Springs & Chassis Max Brace BMR Adjustable Swaybars,Trailing Arms, Adjustable Toe Rod, LCA & Z28 UCA Bushings Hendrix Solid Cradle Bushings Pedders Radius Rod Inserts Strut tower brace Hero Smoked Tail and 3rd Brake Light, Diode Dynamic SL1 Fog Lights AeroForce Dual gauge/Autometer pillar mount.

10-21-2021, 09:27 PM	#7
terry_b Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Hudson, MA Posts: 1,387 View My Garage	Yeah, mine is a daily driver so definitely a lot more wear. If you're not putting many miles on it, you might be alright without another alignment. My toe was off enough to make the car feel like it was weaving a bit under hard acceleration or deceleration. It's definitely a really solid upgrade. Steering feel is much more firm and precise. Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk __________________ 2014 2SS/RS 1LE

10-21-2021, 10:39 PM	#8
AlanRubin Banned Drives: 2010 LS Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Pgh Posts: 411	I am using the Whiteline inserts.

10-21-2021, 11:01 PM	#9
gtstorey Drives: 2010 Camaro SS2,L99, LSA SC Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,181	The JPSS are made of aluminum and JPSS is out of business.

10-22-2021, 05:56 AM	#10
KillboyPowerhead Drives: 2015 Z/22 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 934	If simply installing the inserts (the old ones just pull right out and the new ones push in - effortless), as long as your alignment is good now you won't need an alignment afterward because the hole in the frame is not elongated, just a regular circular hole (although if you haven't had an alignment in awhile it wouldn't be a bad idea to get it checked anyway). Just make sure to measure the distance from the centre of the wheel to the fender before jacking up the car, and then when reinstalling the radius rod bolt jack up the knuckle to this same height so as to "preload" the suspension (i.e. time/clock the bushings). __________________ Overkill/Self Tuned; Mace Camshafts; K&N Typhoon Cold Air Intake; Ported 80mm Throttle Body/Intake Manifolds/Manifold Spacer; Solo Performance High-Flow Cats, Cat-back Exhaust; Vitesse Motorsports Throttle Controller; Elite Engineering E2 Catch Can; BC Racing BR Coilovers; JPSS Delrin Radius Rod Bushing Inserts, Sway Bars; Pegasus Aluminum Rear Cradle Bushings, Camber/Caster Plates; Z/28 Toe Links, Trailing Arms, Upper Control Arm Bushings, Rear Shock Mounts

10-22-2021, 08:04 AM	#11
CamaroCracka Drives: 2010 Turbo LS3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 2,780	I think the Z28 arms are no longer available. __________________ 2010 SS - On3 kit with downpipe cutout, CTR 78/80, CompCam 239/251 620/632 122+4, E85, Z28 suspension and ZL1 diff with Outlaw axles. Gen6 ZL1/1LE brakes. 2011 Vert - 416/w 230/236 .612/.602 115lsa, 1LE suspension w/32mm rear bar. Z28 diff. ZL1 brakes.

10-22-2021, 08:19 AM	#12
Joe.G Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 6SP Ashen Grey Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: NY Posts: 1,275	Ok, Sounds like a plan with the measuring, Alignment was just done along with Other suspension parts and timing the bushings. I have the Pedders inserts on the the way. I am assuming this is a straight forward installation. __________________ GM 3.91/TrueTrac OEM ZL1 Rims, Brakes & Side Skirts.ACST4 Splitter/Deflectors NPP M2W,GM Short Throw,Remote Clutch reservoir GPI Ported Rod Mod,BO White PTB,CAI/JRE Scoop, Moroso Catch Can GC Aluminum DS Stainless Works Ceramic LTH/HiFlo Cats SCT X4 Dynosteve, Hotckis 1" Springs & Chassis Max Brace BMR Adjustable Swaybars,Trailing Arms, Adjustable Toe Rod, LCA & Z28 UCA Bushings Hendrix Solid Cradle Bushings Pedders Radius Rod Inserts Strut tower brace Hero Smoked Tail and 3rd Brake Light, Diode Dynamic SL1 Fog Lights AeroForce Dual gauge/Autometer pillar mount.

10-22-2021, 08:32 AM	#13
terry_b Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Hudson, MA Posts: 1,387 View My Garage	Very straightforward. Lift the car up, remove the radius arm bolt, and drop the end of the arm down a bit. Push the inserts into the void in the bushing (2 per arm), then move the arm back into place and reinstall the bolt. Measuring is a good idea, but I actually just dropped the car onto the ground and slid under the front to torque that bolt down. Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk __________________ 2014 2SS/RS 1LE

10-22-2021, 08:35 AM	#14
Joe.G Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 6SP Ashen Grey Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: NY Posts: 1,275	Yeah I was going to see if i can reach it when its on the ground. I am going to go out to my shop in a bit to check, Wish i thought of this before as I am replacing all the fluids today and will have the car up. __________________ GM 3.91/TrueTrac OEM ZL1 Rims, Brakes & Side Skirts.ACST4 Splitter/Deflectors NPP M2W,GM Short Throw,Remote Clutch reservoir GPI Ported Rod Mod,BO White PTB,CAI/JRE Scoop, Moroso Catch Can GC Aluminum DS Stainless Works Ceramic LTH/HiFlo Cats SCT X4 Dynosteve, Hotckis 1" Springs & Chassis Max Brace BMR Adjustable Swaybars,Trailing Arms, Adjustable Toe Rod, LCA & Z28 UCA Bushings Hendrix Solid Cradle Bushings Pedders Radius Rod Inserts Strut tower brace Hero Smoked Tail and 3rd Brake Light, Diode Dynamic SL1 Fog Lights AeroForce Dual gauge/Autometer pillar mount.