Vigilante vs Circle D vs Yank

[rich3fan]

I know that currently Circle D is the most popular, but tell me why I shouldn't go with a PI Vigilante 3200 stall T/C. I ran the same Vig 3K with a 2.45 STR (IIRC) in both my '98 LS1 Formula and my 2K Formula, which, along with GM Motive 3.73 gears, a true dual exhaust catback (13 rwhp gain) and some Roadtech suspension mods ran a PB of 12.98 at Ennis back in 2000 on a hot day and on 16 inch MT E/T streets.

Don't know when I'll be doing heads & cam, and it's not likely I'll ever do FI, but my LG Super pro full exhaust will be installed by the end of the month, and I'd like to have the T/C installed at the same time. 3.70 gears are a strong probability when the funding is available. My plan is to use MT E/T's again on 18" rims.

I only mention Yank because they were a popular competitor to PI back in the LS1 days, but I don't see much talk about them on this board. TIA for your constructive advise.

And yes, really good 60' times are very important to me.

[Kyle2k]

Because circle D

[rich3fan]

Well that was constructive. smh.

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by rich3fan

Well that was constructive. smh.

Relax new guy, just giving a hard time- Chris at circle D has some of the best customer service around, I probably called him 12 times because I was unsure and he took the time to direct me and teach me about converters in general instead of just sell me. My installer mentioned the quality of his product, because he had never dealt with them before and was truly impressed as well. He said yank doesn't have a converter that could touch this.

He has good judgement as well, understood what I was looking for - not to mention the circle d converters perform as is evident by the fast list

[Rhino79]

They all are good, but as mentioned the Circle Ds probably 60 ft the hardest of them all.

Id go with the 1E circle D converter, it will keep the rpms in the sweet spot up top, flash high enough to 60 from hell and its built better than most any street/strip converter today. Its a beast.

I came from a yank to a circle d BTW

[rich3fan]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

Relax new guy, just giving a hard time- Chris at circle D has some of the best customer service around, I probably called him 12 times because I was unsure and he took the time to direct me and teach me about converters in general instead of just sell me. My installer mentioned the quality of his product, because he had never dealt with them before and was truly impressed as well. He said yank doesn't have a converter that could touch this.

He has good judgement as well, understood what I was looking for - not to mention the circle d converters perform as is evident by the fast list

Lol! "New guy". How old were you in 1998?

Thanks Rhino79. BTW, I'm not far from GPI. Martin could give me directions.

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by rich3fan

Lol! "New guy". How old were you in 1998?

Anybody else?

If you are asking advice you are clearly new at something, just like everyone else, I am a complete noob compared to Rhino, but I have been through the process of choosing - isn't that what you were asking? Don't stir a pot that doesn't need to be stirred because I made a joke about circle D along the lines of "because race car"

[Rhino79]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

If you are asking advice you are clearly new at something, just like everyone else, I am a complete noob compared to Rhino, but I have been through the process of choosing - isn't that what you were asking? Don't stir a pot that doesn't need to be stirred because I made a joke about circle D along the lines of "because race car"

Kyle what CDS converter did you get and how do you like it?

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by Rhino79

Kyle what CDS converter did you get and how do you like it?

The 1E, after driving it I now know that I had never truly lived haha. It is perfect for me - just waiting on that handheld from you to tweak it - hitting the track next weekend.

[rich3fan]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

If you are asking advice you are clearly new at something, just like everyone else, I am a complete noob compared to Rhino, but I have been through the process of choosing - isn't that what you were asking? Don't stir a pot that doesn't need to be stirred because I made a joke about circle D along the lines of "because race car"

Umm... the "new guy" remark wasn't constructive was it? If you read my entire post you would've known that I've been in the game since 1998. Message boards are for people, whether they're new OR experienced to ask questions right? I'm NOT a noob at torque converters, I did the research a long time ago, and I was simply asking for people to convince me to buy a Circle D vs a Vigilante. My Vig served me very well sir. Sound good?

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by rich3fan

Umm... the "new guy" remark wasn't constructive was it? If you read my entire post you would've known that I've been in the game since 1998. Message boards are for people, whether they're new OR experienced to ask questions right? I'm NOT a noob at torque converters, I did the research a long time ago, and I was simply asking for people to convince me to buy a Circle D vs a Vigilante. My Vig served me very well sir. Sound good?

Fair enough, sorry for that - now read what Ryan and I wrote about circle D lol - they are actually a great converter

P.S. Feel free to give me a hard time too!

[rich3fan]

What is usual on message boards is this: Somebody posts about good experiences with this mod or that, and everyone suddenly jumps on the bandwagon. Next thing you know, the potential better performers get buried, whether justified or not.

I'd really like to hear from the Vigilante crowd just the same.

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by rich3fan

What is usual on message boards is this: Somebody posts about good experiences with this mod or that, and everyone suddenly jumps on the bandwagon. Next thing you know, the potential better performers get buried, whether justified or not.

I'd really like to hear from the Vigilante crowd just the same.

Yeah, that is a good point...objectively they are both well made converters, besides anecdotes from individual members the only other thing I would recommend is checking out what some of the fast list cars run.

[lexlueger]

I've had them both. Car 60'd in the 1.5's with both. It came down to customer service for me and Precision's is eh. I run a Circle D, Chris knows his stuff and returns emails!