How much lighter than Hellcat? - Page 3

KaBoom1701 · 02-28-2016, 11:14 AM

There is always something faster out there.....and for those of us who care we all now we mod each others cars so at that point it's just a "who has a bigger wallet" thing....

Just my .02

pdoherty972 · 02-29-2016, 08:48 AM

C7 Grand Sport is about to be announced tomorrow:

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...and-sport.html

ParisTNDude · 02-29-2016, 09:20 AM

I can't imagine why anyone with a 2016 Camaro SS would be concerned about the Hellcat. It's not really a competitor to the Camaro line since it's cost is high, it's only attribute is straight line performance and it's ugly. Chevy will introduce Camaros with higher HP, but I doubt you'll ever see one with HP exceeding 600 hp. Unless the Hellcat has drag radials, I'm sure the Camaro bone stock will win most sanctioned drag races.

SpeedIsLife · 02-29-2016, 09:30 AM

My guess is still 640 HP and a curb of 3,950lbs

However I'm not so confident on it beating the Hellcats MSRP..the LT4 isn't as cheap as the LSA was and as a whole the car is more expensive.

GoneBoy · 02-29-2016, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I can't imagine why anyone with a 2016 Camaro SS would be concerned about the Hellcat. It's not really a competitor to the Camaro line since it's cost is high, it's only attribute is straight line performance and it's ugly. Chevy will introduce Camaros with higher HP, but I doubt you'll ever see one with HP exceeding 600 hp. Unless the Hellcat has drag radials, I'm sure the Camaro bone stock will win most sanctioned drag races.

There definitely won't be a Camaro approaching hellcat horsepower figures. But if gm gives us less 600 hp, it'll be a slap in the face. More like a punch. I think most of us think it'll land between the cts v and z06, which I guess is acceptable. Not sure about anyone else, but with < 600hp, I won't be hightailing it to my dealer to give them my deposit. I'd soon as wait to see what ford has cooking with the gt500.

DenverTaco07 · 02-29-2016, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefano

The ZL1/LT4 as it is today, is going to need some upgrades to keep up with a Hellcat in the 1/4 mile .......car for car.

The LT4 powered CTS-V sedan at 4125 lbs is beating the Hellcat powered Charger (4575lbs) in the 1/4 mile, at least from the tests Road and Track did, I see no reason why the Camaro ZL1, which will presumably be a lighter car than the CTS-V sedan, would need an upgrade to "keep up" with any Hellcat charger or Challenger, in the 1/4.

They are close enough; it's up to the driver. Road course, well, i'm betting more dominant car will be the ZL1 time and time again.

DenverTaco07 · 02-29-2016, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GoneBoy

There definitely won't be a Camaro approaching hellcat horsepower figures. But if gm gives us less 600 hp, it'll be a slap in the face. More like a punch. I think most of us think it'll land between the cts v and z06, which I guess is acceptable. Not sure about anyone else, but with < 600hp, I won't be hightailing it to my dealer to give them my deposit. I'd soon as wait to see what ford has cooking with the gt500.

I highly doubt the ZL1 will get less than 640HP. Recent history of CTS-V and ZL1 would indicate this.

SpeedIsLife · 02-29-2016, 10:43 AM

Unless the LT4 is literally tuned to produce less power..it will make 650HP.

There's no reason for it to make less power. If anything it costs more to write a special calibration just for a ZXX rather than just adapting the Z06's.

Jeffro19 · 02-29-2016, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

My guess is still 640 HP and a curb of 3,950lbs

However I'm not so confident on it beating the Hellcats MSRP..the LT4 isn't as cheap as the LSA was and as a whole the car is more expensive.

That is exactly my guess 640 and 3950lbs. I think it's gonna be a close drag race. I think the next LT4 car will be really close to the hellcat pricing.

2cnd chance · 02-29-2016, 09:42 PM

The ZL1 could have better power to weight than the Hellcat...plus more tread.

BoostedX2 · 02-29-2016, 09:49 PM

Wonder how much the price to build id between the LSA and LT4..don't believe they are materially different except for forged pistons on the LT4? And isn't the Hellcat motor hand built??

ParisTNDude · 03-02-2016, 09:05 AM

Great discussion. I'm sure GM will bench mark the Hellcat and the GT500 when possible to give us a winner. I think GM is serious about competing well against the competition. Yep, I would love to see a 650 hp Camaro, but I won't hold my breath.

SpeedIsLife · 03-02-2016, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BoostedX2

Wonder how much the price to build id between the LSA and LT4..don't believe they are materially different except for forged pistons on the LT4? And isn't the Hellcat motor hand built??

Well the MSRP from GM on the crate motors is $14,006 (LSA) and $15,625 (LT4) respectively.

The Hellcat...I'm not sure on. I know it's between the LT4 and LS9 in terms of MSRP on a crate.

02-28-2016, 11:14 AM	#29
KaBoom1701 KaBoom1701 Drives: 13' ZL1 Red M6 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: I.E. SoCal (Yucaipa) Posts: 8,630	There is always something faster out there.....and for those of us who care we all now we mod each others cars so at that point it's just a "who has a bigger wallet" thing.... Just my .02 __________________ Mods: Roto-Fab Intake, WW Res. kit & Big Gulp Air Scoop, Elite Catch Can, ATI Super Damper & 18% OD Pulley, LF Idler pulley bracket, Metco CC breather, ID850 Injectors, Stainless Power Headers w/ ceramic coating, TR71X Spark Plugs, JMS Fuel Pump Booster, Bo White TB, Tuned by Ted @ Jannetty Racing, Ron Davis HX, D3 Reservoir, Pfadt 1" Springs, Moreno Camber Plates, ZL1 Addons Splitter guard washers, Tow Hook kit & rock guards, Hurst Shifter Billet Plus 6 Speed Short Shifter, ZL1 DRL lighting harness, ZL1 Recaro Seats.

02-29-2016, 09:20 AM	#31
ParisTNDude Owning SSes for 50 Years Drives: Sharkskin Grey LT1 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Paris, TN Posts: 3,139 View My Garage	I can't imagine why anyone with a 2016 Camaro SS would be concerned about the Hellcat. It's not really a competitor to the Camaro line since it's cost is high, it's only attribute is straight line performance and it's ugly. Chevy will introduce Camaros with higher HP, but I doubt you'll ever see one with HP exceeding 600 hp. Unless the Hellcat has drag radials, I'm sure the Camaro bone stock will win most sanctioned drag races. __________________ The new ride: 2023 Camaro, LT1, Sharkskin Grey Previous Performance Cars: 1966 Chevelle SS 4M, 2010 Corvette 6M 1968 Dodge Charger R/T Auto 2012 1SS 6M 1982 Corvette Auto 2010 1SS 6A 1984 Corvette Auto 2016 2SS 8A 1999 Camaro Auto 2017 HBM 1SS 1le 2002 C5 Corvette 6M 2018 2SS 2006 Corvette Auto 2023 Camaro LT1

02-29-2016, 09:42 PM	#38
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	The ZL1 could have better power to weight than the Hellcat...plus more tread. __________________

02-29-2016, 09:49 PM	#39
BoostedX2 Drives: VR ZL1 #259/Nissan 370Z NISMO Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,071	Wonder how much the price to build id between the LSA and LT4..don't believe they are materially different except for forged pistons on the LT4? And isn't the Hellcat motor hand built?? __________________ 2012 Victory Red ZL1 Lingenfelter 630 Package "Plus" 592 HP/580 TQ

03-02-2016, 09:05 AM	#40
ParisTNDude Owning SSes for 50 Years Drives: Sharkskin Grey LT1 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Paris, TN Posts: 3,139 View My Garage	Great discussion. I'm sure GM will bench mark the Hellcat and the GT500 when possible to give us a winner. I think GM is serious about competing well against the competition. Yep, I would love to see a 650 hp Camaro, but I won't hold my breath. __________________ The new ride: 2023 Camaro, LT1, Sharkskin Grey Previous Performance Cars: 1966 Chevelle SS 4M, 2010 Corvette 6M 1968 Dodge Charger R/T Auto 2012 1SS 6M 1982 Corvette Auto 2010 1SS 6A 1984 Corvette Auto 2016 2SS 8A 1999 Camaro Auto 2017 HBM 1SS 1le 2002 C5 Corvette 6M 2018 2SS 2006 Corvette Auto 2023 Camaro LT1

02-29-2016, 08:48 AM	#30
pdoherty972 Drives: 2013 370Z sports Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Dallas Posts: 169	C7 Grand Sport is about to be announced tomorrow: http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...and-sport.html

02-29-2016, 09:30 AM	#32
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	My guess is still 640 HP and a curb of 3,950lbs However I'm not so confident on it beating the Hellcats MSRP..the LT4 isn't as cheap as the LSA was and as a whole the car is more expensive.

02-29-2016, 10:43 AM	#36
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	Unless the LT4 is literally tuned to produce less power..it will make 650HP. There's no reason for it to make less power. If anything it costs more to write a special calibration just for a ZXX rather than just adapting the Z06's.

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