The 2014 Corvette Stingray Forum
News / Blog Register Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Go Back   Chevrolet Corvette Stingray C7 Forum > Members Area > General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-10-2016, 11:57 AM   #15
xc_SS/RS


 
Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: somewhere in MD
Posts: 4,883
In the powertrain section what on earth is flexibility? Says it's based on the cars dimensions, capacities, rebates, extras and or test results? I would imagine the corvette should have won here since it's probably a bit more useable than the track focused engine in the Mustang no? Also how does the mustang score better for transmission?
__________________
2010 2SS/RS
Z/28 intake, NW, FAST 102, speed engineering LT's, some exhaust, ATI -10% pulley, GM flex fuel injectors, DSX flex fuel sensor, MGW shifter, HP Tuners, some suspension work, stickers and a little weight loss. 12.63 @113.53
xc_SS/RS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2016, 02:25 PM   #16
trademaster
 
Drives: 12 MP4-12C, 16 Quattroporte
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Working
Posts: 707
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife View Post
Pretty much exactly what happened with the GT500 vs ZL1...the numerically lesser vehicle was declared winner due to arbitrary and subjective, non-quantitative terms like "fun","essence" and "spirit".
I was just going to say that. Didn't C & D run the same lap time for both and have the GT500 running through the 1/4 over half a second faster, then declare the ZL1 the winner because it was a bit cheaper and they liked the feel more? Sounds pretty much the same.
trademaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2016, 03:55 PM   #17
TheReaper

 
TheReaper's Avatar
 
Drives: 2018 Mustang GT
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Mobile Al
Posts: 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by trademaster View Post
I was just going to say that. Didn't C & D run the same lap time for both and have the GT500 running through the 1/4 over half a second faster, then declare the ZL1 the winner because it was a bit cheaper and they liked the feel more? Sounds pretty much the same.
Like this.
Attached Images
 
__________________
2018 GT 10R80-355
TheReaper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2016, 04:36 PM   #18
huggercamaro21
Sales Manager for Chevy
 
huggercamaro21's Avatar
 
Drives: Tahoe RST
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: DFW, Texas
Posts: 1,313
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReaper View Post
Like this.
Exactly. The ZL1 may have felt better. But it got murdered. End of story.
__________________
2016 2SS Nightfall Grey Metallic, Adrenaline Red interior, auto, NPP, MRC, and Nav.
Killed 06/23/2016
#2
2016 Red Hot 2SS, A8, NPP, MRC, Nav, and Sunroof. VIN #115750
huggercamaro21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2016, 05:39 PM   #19
trademaster
 
Drives: 12 MP4-12C, 16 Quattroporte
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Working
Posts: 707
I've said it before, but for some reason people keep forgetting. Magazines aren't scientific journals. If all they did was report stats, what would be the point? Just look at the specs of two cars and if you know what you're talking about, 99% of the time the results of same day, same driver outright performance tests are predictable. Very few people buy cars based on lap times and trap speeds alone though. The driving experience is paramount for almost all buyers and that includes mostly subjective categories, even brand loyalty.
trademaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2016, 08:51 AM   #20
DRKS1D3


 
DRKS1D3's Avatar
 
Drives: '17 Corvette Grand Sport M7
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 3,748
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shark72 View Post
Subjective testing = inaccurate results (Mustang win).
Performance testing = accurate results (Corvette win).
This 100%. Subjectivity has no place in head-to-head, performance testing.
__________________
MY RIDE: 2017 CORVETTE GRAND SPORT--TRIPLE BLACK, 7 SPEED MANUAL, VARARAM TCR-7 INTAKE, BORLA CATLESS X-PIPE, CARBON FIBER STAGE 2 AERO, MGW SHORT-THROW SHIFTER

**SOLD**2011 TRIPLE BLACK SS CONVERTIBLE--6 SPEED MANUAL, MANY MODS, 455 RWHP/435 RWTQ


DAD'S RIDE: 2012 ZL1 #1866--BLACK, 6 SPEED MANUAL, EXPOSED CF HOOD, POLISHED WHEELS, SUNROOF, ROTO-FAB INTAKE

"Silly Americans, taking from the rich and giving to the poor only works in fairy tales. Success is earned here!".
DRKS1D3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2016, 09:04 AM   #21
shaffe


 
Drives: 21 Bronco
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Carol Stream
Posts: 6,035
Like a few others have said, I don't remember anyone complaining when the GT500 put up almost exclusive better stats than the the ZL1 but the ZL1 was given the win.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT View Post
Lets keep it simple. ..
it has more power...its available power is like a set kof double Ds (no matter where your face is... theyre everywhere) it has the suspension to mame it matter...(
shaffe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2016, 10:59 AM   #22
HeavyIOM
 
HeavyIOM's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 SS, 2000 Pontiac Formula
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Missouri
Posts: 509
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife View Post
Question for you folks....

Is Car and Driver only a legitimate magazine when GM products win? I don't seem to recall anyone balking at the magazine when the 6th Gen dominated the Mustang...
Quote:
Originally Posted by trademaster View Post
I was just going to say that. Didn't C & D run the same lap time for both and have the GT500 running through the 1/4 over half a second faster, then declare the ZL1 the winner because it was a bit cheaper and they liked the feel more? Sounds pretty much the same.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReaper View Post
Like this.
THIS x100000000 funny how when the role are reversed everyone here loses it.
HeavyIOM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2016, 11:06 AM   #23
KaBoom1701
KaBoom1701
 
KaBoom1701's Avatar
 
Drives: 13' ZL1 Red M6
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: I.E. SoCal (Yucaipa)
Posts: 8,631
This issue has been sitting on the back of my toilet for a week now without being read.....and for a good reason I see. lol
__________________
Mods:
Roto-Fab Intake, WW Res. kit & Big Gulp Air Scoop, Elite Catch Can, ATI Super Damper & 18% OD Pulley, LF Idler pulley bracket, Metco CC breather, ID850 Injectors, Stainless Power Headers w/ ceramic coating, TR71X Spark Plugs, JMS Fuel Pump Booster, Bo White TB, Tuned by Ted @ Jannetty Racing, Ron Davis HX, D3 Reservoir, Pfadt 1" Springs, Moreno Camber Plates, ZL1 Addons Splitter guard washers, Tow Hook kit & rock guards, Hurst Shifter Billet Plus 6 Speed Short Shifter, ZL1 DRL lighting harness, ZL1 Recaro Seats.
KaBoom1701 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2016, 11:30 AM   #24
blakjak55
drinks virgil's
 
blakjak55's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS M6
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Missouri
Posts: 448
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReaper View Post
Like this.
Lol, who edited in "Magazine Preference"? Was it published that way?
__________________
2010 2SS/RS M6 - CAI Intake - Borla Stinger - VTC - 3.91's
Eibach Sways - LG ZR28's - BMR Springs - 285/35 Squared
blakjak55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2016, 11:35 AM   #25
SpeedIsLife


 
Drives: Current Camaro-less
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 3,242
Quote:
Originally Posted by blakjak55 View Post
Lol, who edited in "Magazine Preference"? Was it published that way?
That was an aggregate made about..three years ago on this forum.

"Magazine Preference" is another way to say "Magazine Declared Winner"
SpeedIsLife is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2016, 11:43 AM   #26
AGM 1LE

 
AGM 1LE's Avatar
 
Drives: 14 SS/ 1LE
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: parts unknown
Posts: 929
Think about it this way. If they said 'Corvette beats GT350,' people would be like 'ok that is expected.' But having the GT350 win, they sell more magazines (that is the point of the magazine after all) and get more coverage because it is 'shocking' and 'big news'
All boils down to $$$$$$
AGM 1LE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2016, 12:00 PM   #27
Apex Motorsports
 
Apex Motorsports's Avatar
 
Drives: 2000 Camaro SS
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Louisville, Ky.
Posts: 25,179
The car mags lost all credibility years ago.
Apex Motorsports is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2016, 01:04 PM   #28
KMPrenger


 
KMPrenger's Avatar
 
Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Jefferson City, Missouri
Posts: 13,957
GT350 is an fantastic car...not going to argue that.

Maybe it really is slightly more fun to drive than the Vette.

But was it faster? No.

So the awkward conversation goes like this:

Person: "So I heard your car beat the Corvette Z51!??"
GT350 owner: "Yes sir it did!"
Person: "Wow...I can't believe your Mustang is faster than a Corvette!"
GT350 owner: "...uuhh...well...the Corvette was actually faster."
Person: "So...how did it win?"
GT350 owner: "Well...its more fun to drive."
Person: "So...its slower...but better?"
GT350: "yes.....uhh...yes it is!"
Person: "OK" *walks away*

lol...maybe a little harsh...but isn't it accurate??
__________________
2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties
2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)
KMPrenger is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:22 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.