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I was thinking the same thing. I love the IRS
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Sorry - I was being sarcastic
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Ah gotcha I see it now
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If GM wants to target the GT500, they need to put something besides the LSA in the car. The GT500 will dyno near 500hp at the rear wheels. This car needs an engine with forged internals that can be built for 700+ rwhp easily. The LSA does't fit that bill.
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The GT500 puts down closer to 470 at the wheels, not 500. Will the GT500 still be able to outrun it? probably, but it will be drivers race as both will be 6 sp manuals. |
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03-25-2010, 11:11 PM | #105 |
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The LSA features forged internals...the GT500 doesn't dyno that high....and why does it need to be built from the factory to handle that sort of power?
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The LSA makes 550hp without trying. GM could turn it up to 600 with a tune and boost adjustment. So where is the problem? |
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or a slightly hotter cam.
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Is it really a HP contest? I own a Mustang and a Camaro. They are very different automobiles. The Mustang is much smaller maybe 80 or 85% the size of a Camaro. The rear seat in the Mustang is tiny by comparison. The Mustang is lighter. The Camaro is more comfortable. The Camaro has a state of the art IRS. The front sub-frame on the Camaro runs full on forward. The front sub-frame on the Mustang stops a foot short of that.
We have engineered complete suspension solutions for the Camaro and the Mustang, though we have not yet released the Mustang bits. Pedderised, they are both strong performers on the track. With similar RWHP the Mustang has a slight advantage do to weight. Speaking of weight, we had to move the battery from under the hood to the trunk for weight distribution on the Mustang. That is stock on the Camaro. The advantage for OEM brakes goes to the Camaro. We did design a couple of chassis braces for the Mustang based on necessity and OE chassis design. We offer no chassis braces for the Camaro because there is no need for them. Which is a better car? Tough question. The ride quality and vehicle dynamics for the IRS Camaro are a huge plus. A NBA coach cannot coach a player taller. He can teach them to compensate, but make the same player with the same skill set taller and they are better. The Mustang is lighter. That allows the driver to compensate for the three link rear. Beating a whatever Mustang is not all about the engine. The Camaro has a fabulous ZETA chassis. We should be building the Z28 around the suspension, brakes and modest HP gains leveraging the strengths of the vehicle. If GM can take out a couple of hundred pounds with carbon or aluminum... |
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I agree with all your points but yes it has been a HP contest and Chevy has been the leader for some time now. Don't get me wrong though, I don't think for one second its the only thing that makes a car fast, just that the GM team has become accustomed to winning that aspect of the battle. It certainly makes me happy.
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Underneath the car the ZETA or ZETA II sub-frame runs mounts with six bolts -- three per side. All the functional elements of the front suspension are part of the sub-frame including the sway bar. On a Mustang, the sway bar is mounted beneath the radiator, but not connected to the front sub-frame. This leaves the steering rack mounted to the sub-frame and the front sway bar connect by endlinks but not connect by sub-frame. Adding a lattice style brace to the Mustang front sub-frame ties the sway bar to the sub-frame. It doesn't sound like much, but it makes a HUGE difference in the feel and performance of the car. For the daily driver, the car jut feels like it is a better built automobile -- more solid and substantial -- and it is better built with the brace. For a performance driver, the front sub-frame just grew a foot, the sway bar becomes more efficient, the vehicle stays tight in a turn becoming more predictable without becoming unsettled over rough spots in the pavement. At Pedders, we do not think the OEM guys are dumb. We think they are very bright and do a very good job of building within the constraints of the market. They have to build to suit the only driven to church on Sunday by a little old lady road feel and the Speed Racer I'm taking it to the track all while trying to meet a cabin noise level budget and a bean counter budget. We happen to have the luxury of selling premium parts at premium prices to enthusiast that love their cars. We like to think that if the engineers at GM or Ford could do what they wanted to do without budget constraints and built just for enthusiasts they would produce Pedders parts. |
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